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grandestang
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posted 03-21-2003 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grandestang   Click Here to Email grandestang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know this is similiar to the 289-302 buildup moneymaker did, but I want to know if I will achieve the same results (1HP per cubic inch) with a 351W.
With:
270H cam
valve job
performer RPM manifold
Holley 700?
Hooker super comps

What kind of HP do you think this will put out at the flywheel. Im hoping for 350. If not, what will take me there in addition to this, besides new heads- I want to keep the stock ones for now.
Also with shift kit in FMX, and 3.55:1 Posi what do you think this combo would run in my grande?
I know these questions can get annoying but, hey, I'm young and I am curious to what the performance increase will be after all this is done. Thanks.

Paul

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steve'66
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posted 03-22-2003 02:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Paul,

What's the compression ratio? Which heads? And what exhaust system are you planning? The Grande is heavy and so is the FMX.

As far as what it'll run, what have you done for traction and gearing?

SteveW

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grandestang
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posted 03-22-2003 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for grandestang   Click Here to Email grandestang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by steve'66:
Paul,

What's the compression ratio? Which heads? And what exhaust system are you planning? The Grande is heavy and so is the FMX.

As far as what it'll run, what have you done for traction and gearing?

SteveW


Its an H-code so it as the 2V compression ratio, which I believe is 9.5:1 as I hope I can still use standard bore and not have to replace the pistons.
Behind the hooker headers Im planning the Flwomaster mandrel bent 2 1/2 system with 50 series 3 chambered mufflers.
For gearing/traction all I plan is the 3.55:1 or 3.50:1 trac-loc rear gear. And I plan to have at least 7inch wide BF radial T/a's out back and up front wrapped around some torq thrusts possibly. (with same tire height as stock)
This is not meant to be a real quarter mile bruiser, I just want something that can really move when I want it to. I guess to put it into times I would hope for low 14 second range. (even high thirteens if possible) I dont know how close or far away I am from that with this combo. Oh yeah, and is the Grande really thaat heavy? I thought all that really seperated it from a standard coupe as far as weight was the 50 pounds of sound deadening insulation they put in all grandes (and Mach 1s). But I imagine that it is a heavier that optimal car. Thanks alot.
Paul

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mustangboy
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posted 03-22-2003 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the key is traction for your combo at the dragstrip.If you get some sticky tires high 13s should be possible with good tuning.

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steve'66
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posted 03-22-2003 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Paul,

It's heavy for a Mustang, at least compared to a 65/66.

It'll probably run 14-15s w/o some better heads or porting, at first anyway. Good luck and enjoy the journey through modifying the car. A 14-15 second car is a blast on the street too.

SteveW

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grandestang
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posted 03-23-2003 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for grandestang   Click Here to Email grandestang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alright thanks alot guys, that sounds pretty solid. I'm real excited to get this project going and I'm hoping to be done in two months. I can't wait until summer where I'll be cruising enjoying my last summer before I go to college. Thanks again.

Paul

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grandestang
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posted 03-24-2003 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grandestang   Click Here to Email grandestang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now I'm starting to think about changing the heads for some roush 200's or performer RPM's. With this and the above set up I know that I would be getting into some serious horespower- im guessing in the 400 range. Is this too much of a leap for now, especially since I'm only a senior in high school? I am getting in over my head, or should I go for it? Just looking for opinions.
Oh yeah, and the much asked question lately: Roush 200 or Performer RPM, remember I do live in the Chicago area and it could see some cold days, but I do not generally drive in the winter ESPECIALLY NOT in snow (they really love the salt around here) Thanks

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james306
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posted 03-24-2003 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for james306   Click Here to Email james306     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
before you get too far think about what you want for a finished product compared to your budget. you could get about 350-370 hp with the right cam and some very careful head porting as long as you can keep a compression ratio of 9.5:1-10:1. aftermarket heads rock but they are pricey and not everyone can swing that kind of cash. head porting is not difficult if you know what you are doing and it can yield some very nice results. check out the tech department here at ford muscle and look into the head porting article. im assuming you still have stock cast pistons. how many miles on the engine? what year are your heads.

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68 mustang coupe. 306 in progress, factory rods w/arp bolts, factory crank, HV oil pump w/chromemoly shaft, home made 8 quart oil pan w/extended pick up, KB hyper .100 dome pistons, D0OE 351w heads heavily ported with 1.94/1.60 ss valves, victor jr intake with holley 750.

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posted 03-25-2003 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grandestang   Click Here to Email grandestang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by james306:
before you get too far think about what you want for a finished product compared to your budget. you could get about 350-370 hp with the right cam and some very careful head porting as long as you can keep a compression ratio of 9.5:1-10:1. aftermarket heads rock but they are pricey and not everyone can swing that kind of cash. head porting is not difficult if you know what you are doing and it can yield some very nice results. check out the tech department here at ford muscle and look into the head porting article. im assuming you still have stock cast pistons. how many miles on the engine? what year are your heads.


Yes I do still have the stock cast pistons, in fact the whole motor is a stock 1970 351W 2V, with of course the 1970 2V heads. There are 108,000 miles on the engine and I am about to rebuild/overhaul the engine. I am hoping everything will still look good. The problem I have with porting my stock heads is that I have heard that doing this can be almost as expensive as a new set of heads, assuming I completely rebuilt the heads after porting. If there is only like a $200-$300 difference betweeen new and ported/rebuilt stock heads than I think I should just cough up the extra cash and go with the new heads.
Oh yeah, and I wouldn't know what I would be doing porting the heads, so I would have to pay labor to have someone do that.
I'm thinking I should just go with some Roush 200's for compatability with the cold weather. How do these stack up to the aluminum Performer RPM's?

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mustangboy
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posted 03-25-2003 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
check out the tech department here at ford muscle and look into the head porting article.[/B]

. James your on the wrong site,

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james306
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posted 03-25-2003 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for james306   Click Here to Email james306     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oops my bad. i am a member of too many ford forums.

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68 mustang coupe. 306 in progress, factory rods w/arp bolts, factory crank, HV oil pump w/chromemoly shaft, home made 8 quart oil pan w/extended pick up, KB hyper .100 dome pistons, D0OE 351w heads heavily ported with 1.94/1.60 ss valves, victor jr intake with holley 750.

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