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Buster
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From: Orlando
Registered: May 2002

posted 03-15-2003 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will do my best Readers Digest version of this story.

About 3 years ago I built a 1969 351W block. This was a block I was already using in the racecar. I lost a few head gaskets and decided to make the change to copper head gaskets and Oíring the block, as most of you know Iím using a 125 shot.

I was getting water in number 5 cylinder. I had J302 heads on it at the time and couldnít see anything wrong with them. The block was .030Ē and I had it bored to .040Ē and a host of other machine shot type work... to the tune of about 8 or $900.00.

I told the machine shop that I was getting water in number 5 and I had replaced head gaskets and couldnít find a problem with the heads or gaskets. So, I instructed them to check number 5 cylinder out in every respect.

Well, lots of $$$ later and many hours of labor, the engine is in. I fill the cooling system up, hook up the pressure tester and leave it on over night. I check it the next morning and the pressure is still good, oil level is where I last check it and looks good.

Start it up and sounded very good. Just to make sure, I install the pressure tester on again. Guess what... water in number 5 cylinder. The only reason I can figure the gauge held the first time was one of the rings were over the pin hole, just my luck.

So, I get a bore scope and can see a pinhole in the cylinder wall. This is why I bought the SVO block.

However, I just spent a lot of money on this block and didnít wonít to see it go to waste. I called the machine shop and told them what I found. They didnít think they could install a sleeve in the cylinder because of the oíring. I told them I didnít have anything to loose, give it a try.

Three years later...
The machine shop was able to sleeve the block and now itís done.

I went to the machine shop today to get the block. Now it has some rust in the cylinder walls, in the lifter valley and other hard to get places. They said they would hone the cylinders and take some steel wool to the lifter valley. But, thatís not going to correct the other hard to get places

What would you do?

I would like to note, this machine shop does VERY good work.

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-15-2003 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wash out the block as well as you can and go race! Put some high detergent oil in for a few laps or minutes. A little rust won't hurt.

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Buster
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From: Orlando
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posted 03-15-2003 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Will do, tkx Alex!

OK, now that I have two blocks, the SVO and the 69. The SVO block is in the car now and runs. But, the camshaft is WAY TOO SMALL. My bad. I also have a new cam, maybe a little to big, lol, and a 3.850Ē stroker crankshaft. I would like to install the new cam and crank in the SVO block. I also still have the .040Ē pistons from the 69 block and the crank thatís in the SVO block is the one that was in the 69. They only have about 5 to10 minutes run time, if that.

I would like to build the 69 block with the SVO reciprocating assb. While I come up with the money to buy pistons, rings, rods, balancing for the stroker SVO block and a new set of rear tires too. I would have had the money this month to build the stroker, but the A/C in my house took a dump, $3,800.00, grrr. There went my racecar money.

Then I would run the 69 engine and hopefully fine a buyer for it. Then I would have the money for a set of Blue Thunder cylinder heads and a new set of headers. I would also like to make the 2 bolt SVO block into a 4 bolt block.

Good idea or am I missing something?

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Buster
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posted 03-21-2003 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I went to the machine shop to get the block and they wanted to charge me $260.00 to sleeve it...

IMHO I don't feel thatís right. I had to spend a lot of money and time because of their mistake. Not to bring up the fact that it took over 3 years to fix it.

Keep in mind that when I brought the block to this machine shop, told them I was getting water in number 5 cylinder.

Am I wrong?

Before I sold my automotive business I overhauled a Mazda engine, well one of my guys did anyway. I sent the head to the same machine shop for a valve job.

After the engine was done, it smoked. It seemed that the problem was in the head. So, I had one of the guys remove the head, the valve seals were hard as a rock.

Sent it back to the machine shop and they said it still had the original seals and they made a mistake.

I had to pay a guy to R&R the head, I think it was about 10 hours labor if I remember correctly. Buy gaskets ect... with no help from the machine shop in any way.

It just seems that they don't want to take any responsibility for their mistakes.

One of the guys at the machine shop asked if I wanted the work for free and I told him that the machine shops mistake cost me a lot more then what he is charging me.

He said "fine" and "thats it" I take "thats it" means he doesn't want my business anymore. I have never asked them, outside of this time, to do anything for free or cover cost to me from their mistakes.

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mustangboy
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From: Ont, Canada
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posted 03-21-2003 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like time to find a new machine shop.If that isn't possible you will have to spell out right to the letter exactly what you want done and any concerns you have.Get it on paper so there can be no confusion or disputing it later.

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kid vishus
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posted 03-21-2003 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Buster:
Well, I went to the machine shop to get the block and they wanted to charge me $260.00 to sleeve it...



I don't think I have ever paid over $100 to get a sleeve installed and bored, and I have had A LOT of sleeves installed over the last few years.

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Buster
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From: Orlando
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posted 03-21-2003 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Believe it or not, they are the best machine shop around here. 99% of the time there is no problem. Any and all business have problems from time to time. However, it's how they handle their problems that makes a difference.

Their work is really tops. A racing buddy of mine had a problem not to log ago too. He was using a press fit pistion and had them install the pistions. About a month later one othe pins came out damaging the cylinder wall... I don't remember if it needed a sleeve or not. But, they wouldn't work with him either, because it was a race engine.

They just don't understand how to deal with customers... sure every business would like not to pay for mess ups.... but that doesn't seem to happen in real life.

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itlbrnmoff
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From: Indianapolis,IN.USA
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posted 03-22-2003 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for itlbrnmoff   Click Here to Email itlbrnmoff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any good, worth a damn, machine shop would not install the old valve seals after a complete valve job, they'd probably crumble anyway.

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