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bluestreek
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posted 03-16-2003 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I drove my car to a friends house today and on the way home I decided to pass a 18 wheeler very quickly. I wound it up to 6000 rpms in 3rd gear while passing and started to smell anti-freeze. I looked over at the heater box and it was dripping on my brand new carpet!!

It stopped leaking as soon as I slowed to normal speed and didn't leak anymore on the 20 mile trip back home. Does this mean that I need an underdrive pulley for my water pump or could I have a head geasket getting ready to blow?? I checked the overflow and it was still bone dry. Radiator pressure seemed normal. Now I'm afraid to run it hard anymore.

Dan

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-16-2003 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It means you need a new heater core.
It's a 12 pack job on a Mustang.

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MrXerox
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posted 03-16-2003 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrXerox   Click Here to Email MrXerox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Buy yourself a 6 inch piece of heater hose and make a loop from the water pump outlet to the block return thus bypassing your heater core for now. Look on the bright side, at least it went out when the weather is starting to warm up

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johnmustang
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posted 03-16-2003 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang   Click Here to Email johnmustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just did my 65 fastback a little while ago, it is a very easy job to do, while you have it apart you might as well change your heater plenum if you still have the stock paper one. Buy the new plastic ones, also get new heater defrost hoses and be done with it. Like Alex said it is a 12 pack job, just be sure you finish it before you finish the twelve pack

JOHN

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n2oMike
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posted 03-16-2003 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You might think about inserting a restrictor in the INLET side heater hose. This will eliminate pressure spikes in the core, while still allowing plenty of water through for good heating.

Do NOT put it on the outlet side, or it will only make the pressure spikes worse.

The INLET is the hose from the intake manifold.

A special restrictor can be fabbed, or an old appropriate sized socket can be placed in the hose, and held in place with a hose clamp.

Good Luck!

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 03-17-2003 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent idea, Mike!
I'll have to remember that one!!

Ryan

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bluestreek
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posted 03-17-2003 01:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like MrXerox idea for now. I'll just bypass the heater until I have a new core in my hands. Any good tips for removing that sucker besides the 12 pack of beer? I seem to remember someone saying that it's kinda tricky to get that contraption out of the dash. I just got through putting in new upholstery, carpet, dashpad, glovebox, instrument bezel, stereo, windsheild, headliner, package tray, speakers,.. the works. Now the heater core goes bad!

Many thanks for the help guys.

DanH.

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KULTULZ
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posted 03-17-2003 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ   Click Here to Email KULTULZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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n2oMike
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posted 03-17-2003 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bluestreek:
Any good tips for removing that sucker besides the 12 pack of beer?

It's not NEARLY as bad as changing one on an air conditioned fox body!

For the early car, you just undo the hose clamps from the engine bay, then get under the dash and take the front off the heater box... and change em' out.

Back in high school, mine would pop a leak anytime I missed a shift. I would take it out and try and solder the hold.... but it was like swiss cheese. You plug one hole, and water just runs out somewhere else! I finally purchased a new one and haven't looked back.

The thought of changine one on a fox body makes me shiver! There's an all day job... unless you do like I did on the ole' 225k mile Pontiac Parisienne beater car. I just cut a hole in the heater box under the hood and changed it! I then re-installed the cut off part with a couple screws that were already there to hold it in place, and siliconed the cracks!

Good Luck!

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66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
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bluestreek
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posted 03-17-2003 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the tips. I guess I'll pull the passenger seat out of the way and get busy when I have the time.

Dan

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Buster
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posted 03-17-2003 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, the Fox body stangs are very easy to do. I have done them as fast as 45 minutes. You just need to know the tricks....

However, I have never done one on an early model stang.

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 03-17-2003 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Buster:
Well, the Fox body stangs are very easy to do. I have done them as fast as 45 minutes. You just need to know the tricks....

I doubt the Fox-body car you did in 45 minutes had A/C...!

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Buster
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posted 03-17-2003 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ryan Wilke:
I doubt the Fox-body car you did in 45 minutes had A/C...!

Yes I did

I don't think I've done a stang heater core without A/C.... It really doesn't make a difference anyway...the case is the same with or without A/C.

However, I have installed lots of add on A/C systems on fox body stangs.

two of us would split the job, I would do the inside and my friend Rick would do under the hood. Between the two of us, it would take about 45 minutes to do the whole job from start to finish.

I can't tell you how many I have done...lots though.

and I'm not the fastest either... I have seen Rick do the heater core in 35 minutes.

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bluestreek
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posted 03-19-2003 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another question. Can the two heaterhose fittings be capped off altogether, or should I use a hose loop?

Thanks
DanH

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 03-19-2003 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I pulled the hose adapters out & capped mine without any bad effects........

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grandestang
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posted 03-19-2003 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grandestang   Click Here to Email grandestang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You should absolutely do the bypass unless you really need heat. I had the same problem, lived with the bypass- (which was incredibly simple and effective)- but then when it got cold this winter I decided to have the heater core fixed. Turns out I spent close to $500 replacing the thing a new core only costs 40$!!!! And I am told I got a deal on it and could have easily paid closer to $800. The guy who did it said it was a real b*tch, probably one of the toughest heater repairs he has done. So yeah, do what these guys said and live with the bypass for awhile at least until you save up the cash or attempt to fix it yourself- which would be a real pain in the A**!

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MrXerox
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posted 03-19-2003 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrXerox   Click Here to Email MrXerox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its not fun, but it is sure not $500-$800 worth of hell either Whoever did the job for you took you for a ride! A few hours work for $500+ Where do I sign up for that job?

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grandestang
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posted 03-20-2003 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grandestang   Click Here to Email grandestang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mr. Xerox- are you sure? I really dont think it is only a few hours of work considering the whole dash has to come out. (and go back in) I know it was expensive, but I dont think I was taken. It takes an awful long time to do all that- especially since it has air conditioning. Just keeping that refrigerant contained is an expensive and time consuming job. Labor isnt cheap! I dont know if you could get someone to do it for much cheaper- unless you had an inside deal worked out. I think I paid what I should have- cause there was no way I could've done it myself. And as mentioned above I didnt ever say i paid 500 or even 800! I said nearly 500- $475 to be exact. i would be surprized if you could get that much better of a price. I think your underestimating the work involved.

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bluestreek
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posted 03-20-2003 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No AC in this car. I remember puttin one in a Falcon once and I don't remember it being too awfully hard, but we'll see.

Thanks guys!

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