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Topic: Total seal or C&A gapless rings
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Clevo377
Gearhead Posts: 312
From: Blackburn, Victoria, Australia
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-06-2003 05:48 PM
   
Opinions again please. Any comments on the different designs.Paul
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 21725
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-06-2003 06:29 PM
Waste of money!------------------
Alex Denysenko
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MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,&'03
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Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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D&S Induction Systems
Gearhead Posts: 118
From: Columbia Heights Mn U.S.A.
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 03-06-2003 07:21 PM
I agree... 
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 21725
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-06-2003 07:27 PM
Cool graphic!  ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,&'03
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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D&S Induction Systems
Gearhead Posts: 118
From: Columbia Heights Mn U.S.A.
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 03-06-2003 07:42 PM
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bluestreek
Gearhead Posts: 1460
From: Athens,GA
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 03-06-2003 10:57 PM
He stole that idea from my wife!
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Clevo377
Gearhead Posts: 312
From: Blackburn, Victoria, Australia
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-07-2003 04:53 AM
Ummm, ok... What would you reccomend? It's for a blown drag boat.Paul
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jsracingbbf
Gearhead Posts: 2160
From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 03-07-2003 09:47 AM
There is a good thread on this over on the BBF frorum. The jury is still out. I run them but I haven't noticed a significant HP increase by doing so. Oil contamination seems to be better, but that could be because I switched oil. Not sure. Some people swear by them. I heard somewhere can't remeber where, that Total seal is changing their design. I probably will go with a set of regualr rings next time. It would seem sort of silly to tear this engine down just to remove the total seal rings though. Good Luck and if you decide to run them give us a report back on how they do. I do know they are expensive! 
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 21725
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-07-2003 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by Clevo377:
Ummm, ok... What would you reccomend? It's for a blown drag boat.Paul
Ohhhhhhhh, so now you tell us the rest.  The ONLY guys I know that have any success with a total seal ring are the blown alcohol racers. TAD or TAFC
They use them to avoid oil contamination.
Those guys run 12-13 to 1 compression and huge blowers that are over driven 50% or more. Easy for them to get fuel blown by the rings with that kind of pressure and as cold as alky runs. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,&'03
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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Clevo377
Gearhead Posts: 312
From: Blackburn, Victoria, Australia
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-07-2003 04:36 PM
Didn't I mention that before  Boost will be a modest 12%, on racing gas. So if you were to run a gapless ring. Is the C&A design better than Total Seal. Or does it not really matter. Paul
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 21725
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-07-2003 06:04 PM
I wouldn't run one so I can't give you an honest answer. We have yet to see any power gain ever so we no longer even bother trying them.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,&'03
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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Mpcoluv
Gearhead Posts: 1144
From: Charlotte NC usa
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 03-08-2003 08:21 AM
Fot what it's worth to anyone, the local circle track guys who love the gapless rings REALLY REALLY like the new gapless top ring set. Claims zero leakdown etc....
The HP gains they claim are very small though.
I have a hard time really believing it though.
Heck, 7 or 8 hp could come from a little better hone or anything (dyno cell had a little cooler ait etc..)
Like long rods, the "Theory" says it should matter, but you don't really see the results...
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