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Clevo377
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posted 03-06-2003 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clevo377   Click Here to Email Clevo377     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Opinions again please. Any comments on the different designs.

Paul

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-06-2003 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Waste of money!

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D&S Induction Systems
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posted 03-06-2003 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D&S Induction Systems   Click Here to Email D&S Induction Systems     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree...

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-06-2003 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool graphic!

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Alex Denysenko
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D&S Induction Systems
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posted 03-06-2003 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D&S Induction Systems   Click Here to Email D&S Induction Systems     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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bluestreek
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posted 03-06-2003 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He stole that idea from my wife!

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Clevo377
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posted 03-07-2003 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clevo377   Click Here to Email Clevo377     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ummm, ok... What would you reccomend? It's for a blown drag boat.

Paul

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jsracingbbf
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posted 03-07-2003 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a good thread on this over on the BBF frorum. The jury is still out. I run them but I haven't noticed a significant HP increase by doing so. Oil contamination seems to be better, but that could be because I switched oil. Not sure. Some people swear by them. I heard somewhere can't remeber where, that Total seal is changing their design. I probably will go with a set of regualr rings next time. It would seem sort of silly to tear this engine down just to remove the total seal rings though. Good Luck and if you decide to run them give us a report back on how they do. I do know they are expensive!

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-07-2003 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Clevo377:
Ummm, ok... What would you reccomend? It's for a blown drag boat.

Paul


Ohhhhhhhh, so now you tell us the rest.

The ONLY guys I know that have any success with a total seal ring are the blown alcohol racers. TAD or TAFC
They use them to avoid oil contamination.
Those guys run 12-13 to 1 compression and huge blowers that are over driven 50% or more. Easy for them to get fuel blown by the rings with that kind of pressure and as cold as alky runs.

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Alex Denysenko
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Professional Manwhore
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Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
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Clevo377
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posted 03-07-2003 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clevo377   Click Here to Email Clevo377     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Didn't I mention that before Boost will be a modest 12%, on racing gas.

So if you were to run a gapless ring. Is the C&A design better than Total Seal. Or does it not really matter.

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-07-2003 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't run one so I can't give you an honest answer. We have yet to see any power gain ever so we no longer even bother trying them.

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Alex Denysenko
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NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,&'03
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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Mpcoluv
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posted 03-08-2003 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fot what it's worth to anyone, the local circle track guys who love the gapless rings REALLY REALLY like the new gapless top ring set. Claims zero leakdown etc....
The HP gains they claim are very small though.
I have a hard time really believing it though.
Heck, 7 or 8 hp could come from a little better hone or anything (dyno cell had a little cooler ait etc..)
Like long rods, the "Theory" says it should matter, but you don't really see the results...

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