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SundanceKid
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posted 03-05-2003 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone have a pic of a rolled spring perch?

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Fstln69
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posted 03-05-2003 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fstln69   Click Here to Email Fstln69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Only in my mind after i got out of the car about 60ft out and seen the pumpkin pointed at the floor and the driveshaft on the ground

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steve'66
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posted 03-05-2003 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't take pictures either,

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afret
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posted 03-05-2003 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for afret   Click Here to Email afret     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Isn't it the back half of the spring perch that bends upward as the pinion rotates toward the floorboard. My spring perches were bent in a nice curve only on the back half. I had them replaced with thicker than the stock ones and had the back side boxed in.

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Buster
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posted 03-05-2003 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fstln69:
Only in my mind after i got out of the car about 60ft out and seen the pumpkin pointed at the floor and the driveshaft on the ground

lmbo,heheh

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 03-05-2003 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fstln69:
Only in my mind after i got out of the car about 60ft out and seen the pumpkin pointed at the floor and the driveshaft on the ground

...AARRggggghhh!!!!
What an ugly memory flashback!!!
Who would WANT to take pics of such an ugly and sorry sight!!??

When my perches collapsed & twisted, it broke my rear U-joint, bent the new driveshaft and bent both OEM 31-spline axles! With the pinion pointing up at the trunk, I had to recruit a few big boys to help load it on a trailer and haul it off....Luckly, the carrier was OK. However, I had to remove the rearend and take it 80 miles to National Drivetrain. They checked the housing for straightness, cut off the flattened perches, welded on new ones with gussets at both the front & back open ends, then back down I when to get it and pay the large bill....to later determine that they welded the perches on out-of-sink with the proper pitch/pinion angle.......All in all, it was UGLY!!

This is why I asked BlueStreek in another thread if he's boxed his perches yet.... I'd hate to see/hear about him doing it too!

Ryan

[This message has been edited by Ryan Wilke (edited 03-05-2003).]

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RobsRestoMod
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posted 03-05-2003 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RobsRestoMod   Click Here to Email RobsRestoMod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anybody have any pictures of there perches after the boxed them in?

Thanks
Rob

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Fstln69
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posted 03-05-2003 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fstln69   Click Here to Email Fstln69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
we just took a piece of flat stock and welded it from the perch up to the housing.I used a set of mopar connection perches they were stouter then the stocks then boxed em

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Fstln69
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posted 03-05-2003 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fstln69   Click Here to Email Fstln69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fstln69:
Only in my mind after i got out of the car about 60ft out and seen the pumpkin pointed at the floor and the driveshaft on the ground



The only up side to it was that was the first time out to the track i hadn't even drove it on the street yet and it felt like a 10sec car as it came apart

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bluestreek
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posted 03-05-2003 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ryan Wilke:
...AARRggggghhh!!!!
What an ugly memory flashback!!!
Who would WANT to take pics of such an ugly and sorry sight!!??

This is why I asked BlueStreek in another thread if he's boxed his perches yet.... I'd hate to see/hear about him doing it too!

Ryan

[This message has been edited by Ryan Wilke (edited 03-05-2003).]


I have to admit that my perches are still hollow!
My welder is broke, so I was thinking about cutting a piece of iron to fill the hole and epoxy it inside the perch. Would that work to get me through my first outing Saturday?

Dan

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steve'66
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posted 03-05-2003 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bluestreek:
I have to admit that my perches are still hollow!
My welder is broke, so I was thinking about cutting a piece of iron to fill the hole and epoxy it inside the perch. Would that work to get me through my first outing Saturday?

Dan




NO,

Epoxy is no match for the torque generated. Tighten the U-bolts to 100 ft pounds of so and cross your fingers.

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bluestreek
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posted 03-06-2003 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like a couple of 2500 rpm launches and 6000 rpm shifts will have to do the first time out unless I find time to get it welded up. That should be enough to let me know what it's capable of until I can get everything squared away.

I have a friend with a roll-back truck close by, just in case I get "carried away".

thanks.
Dan

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 03-06-2003 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dan,
You're not running a commuter engine any longer!
If I were you - I'd measure up the exact dimensions of the 4 pieces you'll need approximately ~2" square) to be welded to the front & back of both of your perches, then take your car to a Mom & Pop fabrication shop, WE-R-WELDING shop, or maybe even a muffler shop (if you brought the metal pieces) may be able to weld them in for you for not much $$$......that is assuming that your perches aren't too badly rusted now... If they are, they should be replaced anyway.

If you think, "...I'll just do low-rpm launches,,,," -- you're just fooling yourself & asking for trouble!! You've put too much time, $$$, and sweat into your car to start cutting corners and taking chances now!

Just my 2 cents,,,, Ryan

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bluestreek
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posted 03-06-2003 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hear you Ryan W.
Here's a rear view of my drivers side perch.

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SundanceKid
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posted 03-06-2003 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mine look the same. I just don't see how that could be rolled over? Where the U bolts tight? Where you guys using Lakewood traction bars? 32 inch wide slicks on a 1000 HP alky dragster?

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steve'66
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posted 03-06-2003 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SundanceKid:
Mine look the same. I just don't see how that could be rolled over? Where the U bolts tight? Where you guys using Lakewood traction bars? 32 inch wide slicks on a 1000 HP alky dragster?

Look at the back of the perch in the pic, and imagine it squashed up tight against the axle tube. That's what rolled perches look like.

Yes Lakewood traction bars, 10" et street tires, 12 second car. The bars only hold the U-bolts in position. The axle spins in the u-bolts and the result is rolled perches. I used to think it wouldn't happen to us too.

My next project is using a 9" rear too. I boxed those perches before I installed the rear. Live and learn,

SteveW

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H8CHEVY
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posted 03-06-2003 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for H8CHEVY   Click Here to Email H8CHEVY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve W, you dont happen to have a pic of boxed perches, or would be able to take one would you??

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 03-06-2003 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SundanceKid:
...Where the U bolts tight? Where you guys using Lakewood traction bars? 32 inch wide slicks on a 1000 HP alky dragster?

Not quite....N/A 306", 9" slicks, SSM bars, 4-speed, TnT night.

Yes, my U-bolts were tight; it was my first time at the strip with the SSM bars. I make it a practice to drive it a bit in the pits then check over all the lugnuts, U-bolts, etc. to ensure any 'settling or such' is re-checked. Then to the box, hazed the tires, then to the line; dropped the hammer and then it all slammed & the perches collapsed. My U-bolts were loose after the collapse but I think the instant pressure loading on the leaf spring system caused the OEM spring plates to also bend up (forgot to mention that earlier - If you haven't already, I'd see about some better material than OEM for spring plates).

I went back over the paperwork that came with the SSM bars and. Lo-n'-behold, right there in black n' white it said, "We highly recommend that you box or gusset your spring perches or catastrophic results may occur!".

I can't provide you with a pic, but just imagine taking a sledge and pounding the perch down flat against the axle tube... that's what mine looked like!

Also: Thank goodness I had a driveshaft loop or my floorboards would of been beat to HE!! by the whirling shaft (it broke the rear U-joint)!

Ryan

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Fstln69
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posted 03-06-2003 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fstln69   Click Here to Email Fstln69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ryan Wilke:

I went back over the paperwork that came with the SSM bars and. Lo-n'-behold, right there in black n' white it said, "We highly recommend that you box or gusset your spring perches or catastrophic results may occur!".


Ryan



Cal-tracs has the same wording in there instructions.Don't let the "it won't happen to me them guys did something wrong"play in your head BOX THE PERCHES only reason i didn't was i am a chevy guy and knew nothing about fords....Learned Quickly

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Mark T 7724
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posted 03-06-2003 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mark T 7724     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've built several High HP Stockers and some slower ones and it's one of the first things that is done to the rear end, They will roll it's only a matter of when.

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SundanceKid
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posted 03-06-2003 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's just crazy..LOL I wouldn't have ever thought it possible. I have never come across flatened perches, or even heard of it till recently.

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jkilroy
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posted 03-08-2003 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy   Click Here to Email jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No doubt a little extra meat in this area is money well spent. Look to the off road guys for pointers here.

Check this site, they sell custom perches, note the heavy material and how much farther around the axle tube the reach, and they box brace them to boot!

http://www.bigballsoffroad.com/prod142.htm

However, if you are going through the trouble, its not like spring perches are rocket science, make your own from pennies worth of scrap. Here is an article on how to make your own bullet proof perches. Talk about stout!

http://www.off-road.com/chevy/tech/perch/

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n2oMike
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posted 03-08-2003 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In case anyone is still wondering what 'boxing the perches' means... You just lay a flat piece of metal from the end of the perch to the axle tube. This will keep the perch from bending up when the axle tries to rotate.

Ignore the piece of boxed tubing in the picture. A flat piece of 1/8" or thicker steel layed in place between the end of the perch and the axle tube, welded in all the way around, is all that's needed for 99% of all applications.

Good Luck!

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