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Clevo377
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posted 03-04-2003 05:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clevo377   Click Here to Email Clevo377     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Opinions please.

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posted 03-04-2003 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Just Strokin   Click Here to Email Just Strokin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some swear by CompCams since they are rebuildable.

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posted 03-04-2003 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In order of quality and cost.

1)Jessel (I can't afford them)
2)Crane PRO series (what we use)
3)Crower Severe duty
4)Isky
5)Comp
6)Crane or Crower std.
7)Engle (what most of the rest of the cam companies box)
8)Herbert
9)Pro-form (JUNK!)
10)Probe (CRAP)

Some here on M&M may dissagree with my list or the order, but it's doubtful that anyone else has actually used them all except me.

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posted 03-04-2003 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Alex, where would you rate Harland Sharp?

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posted 03-04-2003 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dad Vishus   Click Here to Email Dad Vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How bout Lunati?

KV has used them for several years and they have worked well and held up for 2 years. Rebuildable, too.

I've got Crowers in my car. I'll see how they are.

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posted 03-04-2003 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work   Click Here to Email JCQuinn@work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are we talking about roller lifters or roller rockers?

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posted 03-04-2003 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Just Strokin   Click Here to Email Just Strokin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Title says "Who makes the best roller Lifter?"

DV,

Some say the Lunati roller lifter for Ford's was once made for them by Crane.

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posted 03-04-2003 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lunati buys their roller lifters and reboxes them. Some from Crane, some from Engle and some from ??? See list for rating.
My 2003 Harland Sharp catalog does not show them producing or selling any roller lifters at this time. They did not have any on display at the PRI show.

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posted 03-04-2003 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dad Vishus   Click Here to Email Dad Vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Lunati buys their roller lifters and reboxes them. Some from Crane, some from Engle and some from ??? See list for rating.
My 2003 Harland Sharp catalog does not show them producing or selling any roller lifters at this time. They did not have any on display at the PRI show.


Are Lunatis the only ones with permanently attached crossbars?

The Crowers in my Falcon are slotted and the crossbars are removable. In fact, they fall apart when the lifters are removed.

Just curious.

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posted 03-04-2003 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are made that way so you can replace one if neccasary DV.
Several manufacturers produce/box them that way.

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rockafellz
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posted 03-04-2003 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
My 2003 Harland Sharp catalog does not show them producing or selling any roller lifters at this time. They did not have any on display at the PRI show.


Sorry about that. I mis-read the thread title. I thought we were talking about roller rocker arms.

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SundanceKid
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posted 03-04-2003 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone make rollers for a SBF with horizontal bars? The kind with springs so you can swap cams without removeing the intake?

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posted 03-04-2003 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BarrysGrrl   Click Here to Email BarrysGrrl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SundanceKid:
Does anyone make rollers for a SBF with horizontal bars? The kind with springs so you can swap cams without removeing the intake?

Engle.

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posted 03-04-2003 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That was me posting above.

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Clevo377
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posted 03-05-2003 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clevo377   Click Here to Email Clevo377     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks to all for the replies. I have ordered a set of Crower HIPPO units. They seemed the best that I can afford.

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posted 03-05-2003 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CometGT1974   Click Here to Email CometGT1974     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex, what about the Shubeck lifters?? There supposed to be a good product but extremely expensive!!!!

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posted 03-05-2003 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are not roller lifters Steve. They are ceramic tipped radius flat tappet lifters.

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posted 03-05-2003 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Clevo377:
Thanks to all for the replies. I have ordered a set of Crower HIPPO units. They seemed the best that I can afford.

Paul


That's what I used in my 331 stroker. 500 hard street miles and no problems yet. Time will tell I guess.

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posted 03-05-2003 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CometGT1974   Click Here to Email CometGT1974     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking that Schubeck says his lifters will perform as well as a roller without the danger of the roller and bearings failing....and there lighter....

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posted 03-05-2003 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Barrysgrrl...er um Alex..?

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Technically, the lifters do NOT have rollers, but Schubeck has units for use on flat tappet, AND roller cams.

The flat tappet lifters are almost flat on the bottom. The ones for roller cams are more extremely rounded on the bottom to keep them from 'digging' into the opening ramp.

They are very light, very tough, and have no parts to fail. (unless the material breaks apart) They are also VERY expensive!

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posted 03-05-2003 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CometGT1974:
I was thinking that Schubeck says his lifters will perform as well as a roller without the danger of the roller and bearings failing....and there lighter....

Do you need a specially treated cam?

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posted 03-05-2003 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Alex, I tried to find those lifter from Engle on my own with no luck. Do you happen to know the part number and a good source to get em? Can you get them?

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posted 03-05-2003 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can buy from Engle direct.
310-450-0806
NO website.

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SundanceKid,

FYI: You can make or buy a set of magnetic lifter holders to hold the lifters up while you change the cam. It is a magnet attached to the end of a long bolt and slid down through the pushrod holes.

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posted 03-05-2003 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is an excellent article on roller lifters and related valve train componants in the new issue of NHRA's National Dragster magazine.

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posted 03-06-2003 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CometGT1974   Click Here to Email CometGT1974     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dont think you have to run a special cam with the schubeck radius lifters, i'm pretty sure they are a direct replacement for roller lifters.

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posted 03-06-2003 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CometGT1974:
I dont think you have to run a special cam with the schubeck radius lifters, i'm pretty sure they are a direct replacement for roller lifters.


NO, NO, NO!
They are NOT direct replacments for roller lifters.
Schubeck makes several styles of lifters.
Flat tappet solid, and hydraulic with a ceramic tip, hydro roller, and a new two piece solid roller.
His new roller replacement is a revolutionary design that requires a special radius cam grind

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posted 03-06-2003 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CometGT1974   Click Here to Email CometGT1974     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, shows you how much I know!! I'd love to have a set of those lightweight radius lifters....just too damn expensive!! $820.00 for a set....

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Where would one go to read about these new fangled lifters? Not that I can afford them just for knowledge purposes.

Alex, I desided to go to a solid roller cam after some thought. Knowing my requirements and about what size I want, do you have any manufacturer recomendations to look at?

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quote:
Originally posted by CometGT1974:
Wow, shows you how much I know!! I'd love to have a set of those lightweight radius lifters....just too damn expensive!! $820.00 for a set....

How about a set of Jessels for $1620?


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posted 03-06-2003 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SundanceKid:
Where would one go to read about these new fangled lifters? Not that I can afford them just for knowledge purposes.

Alex, I desided to go to a solid roller cam after some thought. Knowing my requirements and about what size I want, do you have any manufacturer recomendations to look at?


Question one: www.schubeck.com


Question two: Now that's a silly question?

Comp of course!

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