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streetstang67
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posted 02-20-2003 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for streetstang67   Click Here to Email streetstang67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What are factors that determine "redline", how high the engine will rev before you mess something up? On an internally stock 289, what would be the redline? would a valvetrain upgrade allow to rev a lot higher?

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Trailer_Trash
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posted 02-20-2003 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trailer_Trash   Click Here to Email Trailer_Trash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think you could probably get up to 6K rpm before your engine self-destructs

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steve'66
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posted 02-20-2003 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by streetstang67:
What are factors that determine "redline", how high the engine will rev before you mess something up? On an internally stock 289, what would be the redline? would a valvetrain upgrade allow to rev a lot higher?

Yes the valve train is the limiting factor on a stock 289. The bottom end can handle much more because of the short stroke and the low piston speed. With solid lifters and roller rockers it would survive 7,000 rpm for short bursts, assuming the heads, intake, and exhaust will let it rev that high.

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Moneymaker
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posted 02-20-2003 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ditto.

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streetstang67
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posted 02-22-2003 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for streetstang67   Click Here to Email streetstang67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What would go wrong if I tried to rev a stock 289 to 7000rpms?

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Moneymaker
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posted 02-22-2003 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lots of possible broken parts!
Springs, push rods, lifter explosions for starters.

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Trailer_Trash
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posted 02-22-2003 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trailer_Trash   Click Here to Email Trailer_Trash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
in other words, not a good idea

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james306
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posted 02-23-2003 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for james306   Click Here to Email james306     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
better hope you got arp fasteners down bottom.

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Rory McNeil
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posted 02-24-2003 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WHY, would you WANT to twist a stock SB Ford that high anyway? If it stops pulling at 5000 rpm, waiting for the tach to climb higher certainly seems like a waste of time to me.

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posted 02-24-2003 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's my experience on building a "nearly" stock 7000 rpm SBF. The limiting factor is the stock valve train and stock ignition. The stock ign. coil will break up at aprox. 6200 and the stock rockers and springs will cause problems too. Once you rev past 6000, the valves will begin to float and the stock rockers will most likely bind up on the studs and break. I got mine turning to 7000 by changing the stock ignition to Pertronix with the recommended coil. Then changed the weak stock springs and retainers to something with about 100 lbs seat pressure and also upgraded the stock rockers to CompCams roller tips. The hydr. cam I had still "peaked" out at 6000, but the engine kept pulling smooth to 7000 if needed. Don't expect a high mileage shortblock to last too long at those rpms though. Everything needs to be new and tight for it to last.

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