http://home.attbi.com/~stangclassic66/melsteverun2.avi

Doing a frame by frame of the car launching, it seems to be moving forward pretty good as the whole car raises up. It doesn't appear to be spinning that much in the vid, but it doesn't seem to settle down in the back end as I advance the frames. Does the car settle down as it goes down the track?.

I am not up on what you have as in the car as to shocks or springs (front and rear), but sure would be nice to see it squat a little more in the back instead of raising up also. Might be just my preference and odd thinking of that might help since it doesn't appear to be transferring the weight to the rear.

Have you tried any 6 cylinder springs or the Moroso trick springs to get some energy stored in them for take offs? What about rear springs and shocks?

But for sure, it does look good...

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The car is 4-leaf springs in the rear with clamps and Rancho shocks and 75 #s of ballast behind the battery and in front of the right rear taillight. The front is the original v-8 springs with lowered shock towers and CE's 90-10 shocks.

That was a 10.67 second pass with a 1.429 60'er. The problem is, two runs latter it ran a 1.69 60'er.

Thanks for checking it out, and the feedback.

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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Is it just me or is the car missing at the very top of low and through the traps???????
Like it's lean?

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Alex,

Good ear! I assumed it was hitting the rev limiter at the traps on that run, so I bumped it to 6800 for the next and it quit. I'll have to listen again for the top of low gear, maybe she was a little tardy shifting? Did it sound lean to you or could it have been the limiter? It backfired during the shutdown on another run, does that say lean to you or rev-limiter?
Thanks for checking it out!

SteveW

Melissa is LOOKING GOOD.. I'll let Alex and the crew evaluate the run.. I just want to enjoy it..

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Originally posted by Just Strokin:

It doesn't appear to be spinning that much in the vid, but it doesn't seem to settle down in the back end as I advance the frames. Does the car settle down as it goes down the track?.

Have you tried any 6 cylinder springs or the Moroso trick springs to get some energy stored in them for take offs?

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Larry,

I forgot to say that it has slapper bars, and I don't know of anyway to make a slapper bar/leaf sprung car squat in the rear. I'd love it if it did though.

What do you think, ladder bars and coil overs with bigger slicks, or mono-leafs and cal-trac's w/10" slicks?

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Originally posted by steve'66:
Alex,

Good ear! I assumed it was hitting the rev limiter at the traps on that run, so I bumped it to 6800 for the next and it quit. I'll have to listen again for the top of low gear, maybe she was a little tardy shifting? Did it sound lean to you or could it have been the limiter? It backfired during the shutdown on another run, does that say lean to you or rev-limiter?
Thanks for checking it out!

SteveW

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Back fire on shut down is almost always a sign of unburned fuel in the collectors.
If it was on the chip then that was probably the miss Steve.
I don't think that you are letting her take it up enough anyway.
As far as the suspension goes, you already have my suggestions.

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I would consider the Cal-trac's or the CE's for sure if I were trying to keep it stock appearing and maybe streetable. I'll defer to Alex on the mono-leafs.

I haven't read the Dave Morgans' Door Slammer Handbook in a few years now, and can't remember if there are any sections on leaf spring cars in it. I'll try to dig it out and see what is in the book.

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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Back fire on shut down is almost always a sign of unburned fuel in the collectors.
If it was on the chip then that was probably the miss Steve.
I don't think that you are letting her take it up enough anyway.
As far as the suspension goes, you already have my suggestions.

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Yes, and I/we thank you very much.
You're the reason it launches as well as it does now.

Do you think we should spin it higher? The miss at the top end only happens when it's open headers like in the video because it gains 3-4 mph. The limiter was at 6700 rpm in the clip. With 3.89 gears and 26" tall tires does that sound right for 124 mph? I'm glad you got to "see" it run.

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Originally posted by Just Strokin:
Well, If you are going to tub the car, then my thinking would be laddar bars and coil overs but not so sure about going with a bigger slick if you aren't having tire spin at this time (they can be added later). This would also require a lot of extra work to back-half the car, cage or 8pt roll bar and then new tin work to stiffen the car up so the ladder bars would work.

I would consider the Cal-trac's or the CE's for sure if I were trying to keep it stock appearing and maybe streetable. I'll defer to Alex on the mono-leafs.

I haven't read the Dave Morgans' Door Slammer Handbook in a few years now, and can't remember if there are any sections on leaf spring cars in it. I'll try to dig it out and see what is in the book.

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Larry,

Tubbing the car isn't an option. I would consider ladder bar type suspension w/o tubbing like MM runs though.

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Originally posted by steve'66:

That was a 10.67 second pass with a 1.429 60'er. The problem is, two runs latter it ran a 1.69 60'er.

SteveW

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Unfortunately, it sounds like you are borderline on what the car will consistantly hook now. A mini tub, with some slightly larger slicks might be in order.
My buddy with the 408W/Jerico car that uses 10.5" wide slicks has the same problem. It will run 3 or 4 passes in a row within .01 at the 60' timer, then he will get one a tenth slower. I would think if you could mini tub it and get a 29x11, or even a 30x11 (or comparable) slick under it, the bigger footprint will make the car much more consistant and you wont get those "where did that come from?" passes near as much.

Other than that bit of off topic babble, I'm not much help. I have big slicks, and other than making sure it goes straight, I don't have to fool with it much.

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Originally posted by mustangboy:
Steve I don't claim to be an "expert" carb tuner but my mustang also had a slight miss in high gear,only with the headers open.I had to go up a couple of sizes on the secondaries to get rid of it.It didn't do anything for my mph one way or the other but the miss went away.I understand your looking for consistancy with wanting better traction but man that thing disappears down the track in a hurry just the way it is

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Yup!! Their car smoked every car I seen it line up with during trial runs.

Erik

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Originally posted by CometGT1974:
...the cars that run in SSCA real street are running stock suspension on a 26x10 and carrying the front tires about 100' out!...

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Good point, however... Those cars are not very consistant. They don't have to be. If it spins a bit and loses .05 they dont care so long as it is still really fast. Bracket racing is all about consistency. If a bracket car isn't consistent, it's in trouble. With todays bracket racing, if you are off your dial by more than .02 anywhere in this country, your day is usually done.

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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
7200 chip it and have her shift at 7000.
It will go 10.50's.
What plugs are in it? You may need to go one range colder.

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Alex,

The plugs are autolite 3924's I've got color on 1 1/2-2 threads now with the headers open and good air. Maybe a little more jet and which plug?

10.5s eah,

Thanks again,

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Originally posted by CometGT1974:
Yes, they definitely would be ducks in a bracket race but turn the nitrous off and those cars would run consistant 6.80's on the motor with the small tire....well, the guys that have there suspension set up correctly!

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That run was a 6.735 in the 1/8th without being bottle fed. I'm thinking it can be done with mono's and cal-tracs, we'll find out as funds allow. (I just hate to waste money)

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Originally posted by kid vishus:

Good point, however... Those cars are not very consistant. They don't have to be. If it spins a bit and loses .05 they dont care so long as it is still really fast. Bracket racing is all about consistency. If a bracket car isn't consistent, it's in trouble. With todays bracket racing, if you are off your dial by more than .02 anywhere in this country, your day is usually done.

I would put the biggest tire I could physically fit under it, and take the Real Streat cars for what they are, fast cars that would be ducks in a bracket race.

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Rob,

I agree with you too, I'm sooo confused.
LOL

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Originally posted by steve'66:

Alex,

The plugs are autolite 3924's I've got color on 1 1/2-2 threads now with the headers open and good air. Maybe a little more jet and which plug?

10.5s eah,

Thanks again,

SteveW

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AR 3923 plugs.

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Been running this set for the last year anyway, and it's due for a new set.

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Originally posted by CometGT1974:
I know you can....remember, a slightly taller tire (28") would help it hook up!!

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Do you guys think a 28x11.5-15" slick would fit with mono's and cal tracks on 10" rims w/5" backspace?

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Originally posted by TomP:
I think a 10.5 x 28 is all that would fit. I don't think the tires on it now are hurting anything. I'd say the rear shocks could stand to be a little stiffer on extension.

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Thanks Tom,

Was wondering when you'd comment. How've you been?
I'll look at the clearance between the tire and the springs, if I've got 5/8" it'll handle the wider slicks. The height is easy.

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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Yu can live with 1/2 inch.
That's all that MM has with the "big" tires.

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Alex,

Does MM have leaf springs? I thought it was coil-over/ladder bars. How big are your "big" bracket trim tires?

MM has a mono leaf spring/ladder link floater suspension.
Still the choice of most Superstock chassis builders for muscle type cars that originally were equipped with leaf springs.
Ed Quay, Performance Concepts, MPR, etc. will all agree that it is a great hooking set up.
The only draw back is wheel stands. Not suce a big deal with MM, but some of the large inch Camaro's and Mustangs with this set up would carry the front end to the 1/8 mile.

Flex-i-Form parabolic mono leafs springs (the California Colt duplicated ours)
QA-1 shocks
Ladder link bars
Floater differential.

No coil overs and 4 link for me.

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How big a slick can you squeeze in there?

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OK class.....can anyone tell me what's wrong with this picture?

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Originally posted by steve'66:
Kip's still got rear leaf seperation, and a 10.70 et shouldn't need wheelie bars.

SteveW

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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
....With the multi leafs fighting each other, the separation is very evident.

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OK Guys, I know it's late in the day on Friday and such; but you fellas lost me on this one.

Please explain what ya mean by, 'leaf separation' & 'fighting each other'?

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Originally posted by Ryan Wilke:
[B Please explain what ya mean by, 'leaf separation' & 'fighting each other'?

Thanks,,,,, Ryan [/B]

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Ryan,

I think he means when the rear of the body is pushed up by the traction bars, the rear leafs seperate allowing the rear of the car to rise. The rear rising fights weight transfer and also fights against planting the tire down onto the track. Not to mention energy that's wasted lifting the rear of the car instead of pushing it forward.

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Originally posted by steve'66:
... the rear leafs seperate allowing the rear of the car to rise.

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OK, I think I'm following you....I recall fellas who ran mult-leaf springs and you could "hear" the leafs slapping or separating when they launched... but if a fella wasn't able to go to the major-money mono-leaf setup, wouldn't that condition be cured if he simply installed 'bands' around the leafs both front & rear of the axle...to prevent them from separating?

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