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steve'66
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posted 02-18-2003 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This will download in a couple minutes even with dial-up.

http://home.attbi.com/~stangclassic66/melsteverun2.avi

Any tips of the launch or suspension changes?

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The launch reminds me of the old TBolts and Comets back in the mid 60's. Those cars seemed to jump up on all fours before they took off.

Doing a frame by frame of the car launching, it seems to be moving forward pretty good as the whole car raises up. It doesn't appear to be spinning that much in the vid, but it doesn't seem to settle down in the back end as I advance the frames. Does the car settle down as it goes down the track?.

I am not up on what you have as in the car as to shocks or springs (front and rear), but sure would be nice to see it squat a little more in the back instead of raising up also. Might be just my preference and odd thinking of that might help since it doesn't appear to be transferring the weight to the rear.

Have you tried any 6 cylinder springs or the Moroso trick springs to get some energy stored in them for take offs? What about rear springs and shocks?

But for sure, it does look good...

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Is it just me or is the car missing at the very top of low and through the traps???????
Like it's lean?

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posted 02-18-2003 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Larry,

The car is 4-leaf springs in the rear with clamps and Rancho shocks and 75 #s of ballast behind the battery and in front of the right rear taillight. The front is the original v-8 springs with lowered shock towers and CE's 90-10 shocks.

That was a 10.67 second pass with a 1.429 60'er. The problem is, two runs latter it ran a 1.69 60'er.

Thanks for checking it out, and the feedback.

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posted 02-18-2003 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Is it just me or is the car missing at the very top of low and through the traps???????
Like it's lean?


Alex,

Good ear! I assumed it was hitting the rev limiter at the traps on that run, so I bumped it to 6800 for the next and it quit. I'll have to listen again for the top of low gear, maybe she was a little tardy shifting? Did it sound lean to you or could it have been the limiter? It backfired during the shutdown on another run, does that say lean to you or rev-limiter?
Thanks for checking it out!

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posted 02-18-2003 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Big D   Click Here to Email Big D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve,,

Melissa is LOOKING GOOD.. I'll let Alex and the crew evaluate the run.. I just want to enjoy it..

Don

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posted 02-18-2003 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Just Strokin:

It doesn't appear to be spinning that much in the vid, but it doesn't seem to settle down in the back end as I advance the frames. Does the car settle down as it goes down the track?.

Have you tried any 6 cylinder springs or the Moroso trick springs to get some energy stored in them for take offs?


Larry,

I forgot to say that it has slapper bars, and I don't know of anyway to make a slapper bar/leaf sprung car squat in the rear. I'd love it if it did though.

What do you think, ladder bars and coil overs with bigger slicks, or mono-leafs and cal-trac's w/10" slicks?

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posted 02-18-2003 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by steve'66:
Alex,

Good ear! I assumed it was hitting the rev limiter at the traps on that run, so I bumped it to 6800 for the next and it quit. I'll have to listen again for the top of low gear, maybe she was a little tardy shifting? Did it sound lean to you or could it have been the limiter? It backfired during the shutdown on another run, does that say lean to you or rev-limiter?
Thanks for checking it out!

SteveW

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Back fire on shut down is almost always a sign of unburned fuel in the collectors.
If it was on the chip then that was probably the miss Steve.
I don't think that you are letting her take it up enough anyway.
As far as the suspension goes, you already have my suggestions.

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Well, If you are going to tub the car, then my thinking would be laddar bars and coil overs but not so sure about going with a bigger slick if you aren't having tire spin at this time (they can be added later). This would also require a lot of extra work to back-half the car, cage or 8pt roll bar and then new tin work to stiffen the car up so the ladder bars would work.

I would consider the Cal-trac's or the CE's for sure if I were trying to keep it stock appearing and maybe streetable. I'll defer to Alex on the mono-leafs.

I haven't read the Dave Morgans' Door Slammer Handbook in a few years now, and can't remember if there are any sections on leaf spring cars in it. I'll try to dig it out and see what is in the book.

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posted 02-18-2003 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Back fire on shut down is almost always a sign of unburned fuel in the collectors.
If it was on the chip then that was probably the miss Steve.
I don't think that you are letting her take it up enough anyway.
As far as the suspension goes, you already have my suggestions.

Yes, and I/we thank you very much.
You're the reason it launches as well as it does now.

Do you think we should spin it higher? The miss at the top end only happens when it's open headers like in the video because it gains 3-4 mph. The limiter was at 6700 rpm in the clip. With 3.89 gears and 26" tall tires does that sound right for 124 mph? I'm glad you got to "see" it run.

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posted 02-18-2003 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Just Strokin:
Well, If you are going to tub the car, then my thinking would be laddar bars and coil overs but not so sure about going with a bigger slick if you aren't having tire spin at this time (they can be added later). This would also require a lot of extra work to back-half the car, cage or 8pt roll bar and then new tin work to stiffen the car up so the ladder bars would work.

I would consider the Cal-trac's or the CE's for sure if I were trying to keep it stock appearing and maybe streetable. I'll defer to Alex on the mono-leafs.

I haven't read the Dave Morgans' Door Slammer Handbook in a few years now, and can't remember if there are any sections on leaf spring cars in it. I'll try to dig it out and see what is in the book.


Larry,

Tubbing the car isn't an option. I would consider ladder bar type suspension w/o tubbing like MM runs though.

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boy i got to get the fairlane to run like that

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posted 02-19-2003 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
7200 chip it and have her shift at 7000.
It will go 10.50's.
What plugs are in it? You may need to go one range colder.

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Originally posted by steve'66:

That was a 10.67 second pass with a 1.429 60'er. The problem is, two runs latter it ran a 1.69 60'er.

SteveW


Unfortunately, it sounds like you are borderline on what the car will consistantly hook now. A mini tub, with some slightly larger slicks might be in order.
My buddy with the 408W/Jerico car that uses 10.5" wide slicks has the same problem. It will run 3 or 4 passes in a row within .01 at the 60' timer, then he will get one a tenth slower. I would think if you could mini tub it and get a 29x11, or even a 30x11 (or comparable) slick under it, the bigger footprint will make the car much more consistant and you wont get those "where did that come from?" passes near as much.

Other than that bit of off topic babble, I'm not much help. I have big slicks, and other than making sure it goes straight, I don't have to fool with it much.

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I say "maybe" on the mini tub but it's not needed!! All you need is some good mono leafs, good shocks and a set of cal tracs....the cars that run in SSCA real street are running stock suspension on a 26x10 and carrying the front tires about 100' out. The fastest i've seen one go is 5.65 in the 1/8th on a massive shot of NOS....if those cars can hook up with that small tire, I know you can....remember, a slightly taller tire (28") would help it hook up!!

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That's a great clip
I'm so impressed on how that car launches and runs just the way it is! I do however understand the 'never enough' thought process

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Steve I don't claim to be an "expert" carb tuner but my mustang also had a slight miss in high gear,only with the headers open.I had to go up a couple of sizes on the secondaries to get rid of it.It didn't do anything for my mph one way or the other but the miss went away.I understand your looking for consistancy with wanting better traction but man that thing disappears down the track in a hurry just the way it is

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Steve I don't claim to be an "expert" carb tuner but my mustang also had a slight miss in high gear,only with the headers open.I had to go up a couple of sizes on the secondaries to get rid of it.It didn't do anything for my mph one way or the other but the miss went away.I understand your looking for consistancy with wanting better traction but man that thing disappears down the track in a hurry just the way it is

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Yup!! Their car smoked every car I seen it line up with during trial runs.

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Originally posted by CometGT1974:
...the cars that run in SSCA real street are running stock suspension on a 26x10 and carrying the front tires about 100' out!...


Good point, however... Those cars are not very consistant. They don't have to be. If it spins a bit and loses .05 they dont care so long as it is still really fast. Bracket racing is all about consistency. If a bracket car isn't consistent, it's in trouble. With todays bracket racing, if you are off your dial by more than .02 anywhere in this country, your day is usually done.

I would put the biggest tire I could physically fit under it, and take the Real Streat cars for what they are, fast cars that would be ducks in a bracket race.

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Yes, they definitely would be ducks in a bracket race but turn the nitrous off and those cars would run consistant 6.80's on the motor with the small tire....well, the guys that have there suspension set up correctly! Gotta remember though, unlike me, most of the heads up guys I know don't really think bracket racing is real racing!! It looks to me like there car is doing well, real impressive, but some cal tracs and good springs/shocks will make it alot easier to make consistant and keep consistant.

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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
7200 chip it and have her shift at 7000.
It will go 10.50's.
What plugs are in it? You may need to go one range colder.



Alex,

The plugs are autolite 3924's I've got color on 1 1/2-2 threads now with the headers open and good air. Maybe a little more jet and which plug?

10.5s eah,

Thanks again,

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Originally posted by CometGT1974:
Yes, they definitely would be ducks in a bracket race but turn the nitrous off and those cars would run consistant 6.80's on the motor with the small tire....well, the guys that have there suspension set up correctly!

That run was a 6.735 in the 1/8th without being bottle fed. I'm thinking it can be done with mono's and cal-tracs, we'll find out as funds allow. (I just hate to waste money)

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quote:
Originally posted by kid vishus:

Good point, however... Those cars are not very consistant. They don't have to be. If it spins a bit and loses .05 they dont care so long as it is still really fast. Bracket racing is all about consistency. If a bracket car isn't consistent, it's in trouble. With todays bracket racing, if you are off your dial by more than .02 anywhere in this country, your day is usually done.

I would put the biggest tire I could physically fit under it, and take the Real Streat cars for what they are, fast cars that would be ducks in a bracket race.


Rob,

I agree with you too, I'm sooo confused.
LOL

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Originally posted by steve'66:

Alex,

The plugs are autolite 3924's I've got color on 1 1/2-2 threads now with the headers open and good air. Maybe a little more jet and which plug?

10.5s eah,

Thanks again,

SteveW


AR 3923 plugs.

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OK Alex,

Been running this set for the last year anyway, and it's due for a new set.

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quote:
Originally posted by CometGT1974:
I know you can....remember, a slightly taller tire (28") would help it hook up!!

Do you guys think a 28x11.5-15" slick would fit with mono's and cal tracks on 10" rims w/5" backspace?

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I think a 10.5 x 28 is all that would fit. I don't think the tires on it now are hurting anything. I'd say the rear shocks could stand to be a little stiffer on extension.

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Too much back spacing for a 11.5.
Section width is to wide.

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I think a 10.5 x 28 is all that would fit. I don't think the tires on it now are hurting anything. I'd say the rear shocks could stand to be a little stiffer on extension.

Thanks Tom,

Was wondering when you'd comment. How've you been?
I'll look at the clearance between the tire and the springs, if I've got 5/8" it'll handle the wider slicks. The height is easy.

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Yu can live with 1/2 inch.
That's all that MM has with the "big" tires.

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I tried to see the video, but it only had sound...
It said I would have trouble because the required compressor could'nt be found...
I have no idea what that means <<< Moron
It sounds good though...

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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Yu can live with 1/2 inch.
That's all that MM has with the "big" tires.


Alex,

Does MM have leaf springs? I thought it was coil-over/ladder bars. How big are your "big" bracket trim tires?

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One more time:

MM has a mono leaf spring/ladder link floater suspension.
Still the choice of most Superstock chassis builders for muscle type cars that originally were equipped with leaf springs.
Ed Quay, Performance Concepts, MPR, etc. will all agree that it is a great hooking set up.
The only draw back is wheel stands. Not suce a big deal with MM, but some of the large inch Camaro's and Mustangs with this set up would carry the front end to the 1/8 mile.

Flex-i-Form parabolic mono leafs springs (the California Colt duplicated ours)
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Floater differential.

No coil overs and 4 link for me.

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posted 02-21-2003 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Alex,

How big a slick can you squeeze in there?

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OOPS!
Forgot that Steve.
Our "big" tires are a 10.5 x 30 on a 10.5 wheel. Roll out is 95 to 95.5 inches.

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That's a mighty impressive blast off there Steve, I can almost smell the exhaust. Hell Yeah!! Best of luck to you and Melissa!!

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Here is a perfect example of a ladder bar "MULTI" leaf sprung Mustang and what it is NOT supposed to do!
http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCPhoto.asp?ID={1348CF26-804F-4553-BADB-6A3FAEADF4B9}#indextop

OK class.....can anyone tell me what's wrong with this picture?

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posted 02-21-2003 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ccode67   Click Here to Email ccode67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex, is that Mustang shorter than normal or is it just the picture????

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posted 02-21-2003 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kip's still got rear leaf seperation, and a 10.70 et shouldn't need wheelie bars.

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Originally posted by steve'66:
Kip's still got rear leaf seperation, and a 10.70 et shouldn't need wheelie bars.

SteveW


p.s. Thanks Matt!

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posted 02-21-2003 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not shorter than normal.
With the multi leafs fighting each other, the separation is very evident.
Extra upward motion is a waste of energy.

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posted 02-21-2003 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fstln69   Click Here to Email Fstln69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was going to say the same thing too much seperation.

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quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
....With the multi leafs fighting each other, the separation is very evident.

OK Guys, I know it's late in the day on Friday and such; but you fellas lost me on this one.

Please explain what ya mean by, 'leaf separation' & 'fighting each other'?

Thanks,,,,, Ryan

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quote:
Originally posted by Ryan Wilke:
[B Please explain what ya mean by, 'leaf separation' & 'fighting each other'?

Thanks,,,,, Ryan [/B]


Ryan,

I think he means when the rear of the body is pushed up by the traction bars, the rear leafs seperate allowing the rear of the car to rise. The rear rising fights weight transfer and also fights against planting the tire down onto the track. Not to mention energy that's wasted lifting the rear of the car instead of pushing it forward.

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Yes.

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quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
... the rear leafs seperate allowing the rear of the car to rise.

OK, I think I'm following you....I recall fellas who ran mult-leaf springs and you could "hear" the leafs slapping or separating when they launched... but if a fella wasn't able to go to the major-money mono-leaf setup, wouldn't that condition be cured if he simply installed 'bands' around the leafs both front & rear of the axle...to prevent them from separating?

Thanks for helpin' me understand this -
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Helped? Yes. Cured? NO!
Clamping of the foward leafs helps substancially, but it is only a band aid fix.

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