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jeffstar
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posted 02-14-2003 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jeffstar   Click Here to Email jeffstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi I have a 65 mustang with 351W running original type v-belt system. Wouls like to convert to an aluminum water pump to save a few pounds. I hear that you cant use the factory aluninum pump from the 80 something 5.0HO because it turns the oposite way. Did Ford ever make an aluminum pump forthe v-belt type small blocks? and if so what year or part#.
Thanks in advance

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Hans olsson
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posted 02-14-2003 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hans olsson   Click Here to Email Hans olsson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Milodon makes good aluminum pumps.
Check them out at http://www.milodon.com/

Hans


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Ryan Wilke
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posted 02-14-2003 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jeffstar:
...Did Ford ever make an aluminum pump forthe v-belt type small blocks? and if so what year or part#.

I don't think so, Jeff, but maybe some else here knows for sure......

Nevertheless, as Hans mentioned, there are a few aluminum aftermarket H20 pumps out there that will fill the bill....and probably for less $$$ than any FoMoCo piece. You can check out Jegs or Summit for other offerings or ring up our own M&M "Resident Performance Parts Dude & Title-holding Champion Racer", MoneyMaker (Alex) for what he can get for ya.....

GOOD LUCK!
Ryan

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V8 Thumper
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posted 02-14-2003 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
High Performance (K-code) 289 water pump is aluminum, uses a v-belt drive and spins counter-clockwise, just as the motor does

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n2oMike
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posted 02-14-2003 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by V8 Thumper:
High Performance (K-code) 289 water pump is aluminum, uses a v-belt drive and spins counter-clockwise, just as the motor does


These were used on all the early 260-289's.

These old aluminum pumps also require the special matching timing cover. (I use this style pump on my car)

The pump has vanes that fit back into the water pump holes of the cover. The only covers that these pumps will bolt to are the old ones that these pumps came stock on.

An iron pump can be bolted to the old 'aluminum pump' timing cover, just not the other way around.

The aluminum pumps were discontinued around the time the small blocks went from 5 to 6 bolt bellhousings in 1965.

Good Luck!

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Moneymaker
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posted 02-14-2003 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by n2oMike:
These were used on all the early 260-289's.

These old aluminum pumps also require the special matching timing cover. (I use this style pump on my car)

The pump has vanes that fit back into the water pump holes of the cover. The only covers that these pumps will bolt to are the old ones that these pumps came stock on.

An iron pump can be bolted to the old 'aluminum pump' timing cover, just not the other way around.

The aluminum pumps were discontinued around the time the small blocks went from 5 to 6 bolt bellhousings in 1965.

Good Luck!



Corrections.
All 289 aluminum pumps are NOT the same.
Standard ones are 8 vane impeller with a small bearing.
289 Hipo's have a 6 vane impeller with a large bearing.
All late 65 to 67 289 Hipos came with aluminum water pumps.
Only standard 289's discontinued aluminum pumps in 65.

Sorry Mike.

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n2oMike
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posted 02-15-2003 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Corrections.
All 289 aluminum pumps are NOT the same.
Standard ones are 8 vane impeller with a small bearing.
289 Hipo's have a 6 vane impeller with a large bearing.
All late 65 to 67 289 Hipos came with aluminum water pumps.
Only standard 289's discontinued aluminum pumps in 65.[/B]

Well, looks like I learned something today.

I have a couple of the covers and a spare pump, but was unaware that these old pumps and the hipo's were different. (I haven't messed with any hipos) I have seen some pumps with cast iron impellers, and others with the bent metal units. And, as far as what you get from the local Autozone, it's a crapshoot. Sometimes you'll get an old Ford housing that's been rebuilt, other times you'll get one with an aftermarket housing. Usually, it's the aftermarket.

My main objective was to make sure people didn't think the old aluminum pump would bolt to the 'iron pump' timing covers.

Good Luck!

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
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Moneymaker
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posted 02-15-2003 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Motorcraft 289 Hipo water pump is #PW-114.
Very expensive these days if you can even find one.

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n2oMike
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posted 02-15-2003 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The old aluminum pump timing chain covers have the oil fill tube sticking out the top. (in case anyone needs to identify one) The tube is around 1" to 1-1/2" in diameter. It was in the way on my car, and got replaced with a rubber freeze plug.

Be sure to check for stripped bolt holes when shopping for an old cover. The top ones aren't a problem, as a nut can easily be placed behind the threads. The holes with internal threads are the ones that need checked.

Good Luck!

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
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Moneymaker
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posted 02-15-2003 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not all of them Mike.
All 260's and all 63-64 289s had the oil tube hole.
Very late 64 and 65 up did not have the breather tube hole. I have a couple of each style cover. I'll be in the shop later and take some pics.
Also another way to identify early and late is the type of timing pointer. The early ones had a cast in pointer, and the later covers had a bolt on tin pointer. Confused yet?

Try inventorying this stuff.

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Alex Denysenko
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n2oMike
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posted 02-15-2003 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmm, yet another interesting tidbit of Ford trivia

Well, if it has the oil filler tube, it's made for the old aluminum pump.

I was unaware they made these covers without the oil tube.

I never will understand why Ford thought they had to re-invent the wheel every time they turned around. Interchange is so EASY with chevy parts.

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367
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Moneymaker
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posted 02-15-2003 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It has always been my belief that the timing covers without the hole, cast in pointers, and no ribs on top between the water pump and block, were late 289 Hipo only. I base this on MM's original cover and several late 289 HP's that I have owned or worked on.
I have had a 64 Fairlane 289 Hipo car and it had the older style cover with the tube and a cast in timing pointer.
Now another mystery are the covers with the ribs????

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Alex Denysenko
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Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
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