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65_289
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posted 02-13-2003 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65_289   Click Here to Email 65_289     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It seems like the consensus here is that the Vic Jr. intake is the better single-place versus the Weiand. But when I talk to some guys with blow-through turbo setups, they all say the Weiand is better, because the Vic Jr. tends to lean out the 4 & 8 cylinders, whereas the Weiand doesn't. They say the Vic Jr. has tighter bends in the runners.

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bluestreek
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posted 02-13-2003 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are 2 totally different intakes. The 289 xcellerator has a tight curved plenum and shorter smaller runners all designed for a balanced flow, and high velocity heads. I could see where this might work well on a forced induction system. The Victor JR 302 has a taller,larger, and straighter plenum and also has larger and longer runners designed for a heavy breathing SBF.

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posted 02-13-2003 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't seen a 360 intake for a 289-302 that soesn't lean out cylinders 4-8.
I wouldn't use the Weiand intake on anything that sees over 6500 RPM.
Actually I wouldn't use the Weiand intake on anything at all.

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posted 02-14-2003 01:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
C'mon Alex tell us how you really feel.

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posted 02-14-2003 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:

Actually I wouldn't use the Weiand intake on anything at all.


Alex, I'm sure you have your reasons for not liking Why-and intakes, but I have to say this for them, I like their high-rise dual planes. I have a Edelbrock RPM sitting in the shop that I would have had to grind on for days to get the ports to flow enough for my TFS heads. I started porting it and just got frustrated. I finally took some advice from another Ford friend and bought a nice used Stealth #8020. I was "happy as a pig in slop" when I saw how big their stock ports looked compared to the RPMs and how well it was made. With only 2 hrs of minor port matching they mated up to my heads. One day I plan to make a comparison on the strip just to see what the difference is between the 2.

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posted 02-14-2003 02:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dubz   Click Here to Email Dubz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what engine is your rpm for?? and if a 351W are you looking to sell?

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posted 02-14-2003 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Time and time again we have tried different intakes on 289-302 SBF's. We ported, epoxied, welded etc. Then we track or dyno tested. Same results everytime.
The Edelbrock ALWAYS made more power and ALWAYS was faster.
If you want a cheap intake, buy a Weiand, if you want to be fast buy a Victor Jr.!
No brag, just fact!

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posted 02-14-2003 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I totally agree on the Victor series as being the best otc intake for a 6500+ rpm SBF.

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65_302
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posted 02-14-2003 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65_302   Click Here to Email 65_302     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does it matter if the engine never sees the top side of 6000 rpms?

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posted 02-14-2003 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 65_302:
Does it matter if the engine never sees the top side of 6000 rpms?


Then a 360 degree race intake is a waste of money.

Better off with an air gap or performer, performer RPM, or even the Weiand..

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posted 02-14-2003 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CometGT1974   Click Here to Email CometGT1974     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Alex, if you sent a Victor Jr. to Wilson Manifolds to be "worked" what type of performance gains would you get as opposed to just port matching by hand?? What i'm trying to ask is, is it worth the $$ to have wilson do there cnc portmatch and cleanup work or can a good home porter get the same performance??

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posted 02-14-2003 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only person that can equal Wilson with a Victor SBF intake is Kuntz! Probably about 2/3rd the cost.
Kuntz used to have Wilson do theirs.

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Alex Denysenko
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Ryan Wilke
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posted 02-14-2003 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bluestreek:
Alex, I'm sure you have your reasons for not liking Why-and intakes,,,,

Blue:
I think Alex is only referring to the Weiand X-cellerator intake; not EVERY Weiand intake.

I'm thinking the Stealth is a more modern design that combines the high-rise of a single-plane and the 360* of a dual-plane... which probably is what allows it to function well at both ends of the scale of 1500-6500 rpms.

Ryan

[This message has been edited by Ryan Wilke (edited 02-15-2003).]

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