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timjk
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posted 02-12-2003 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for timjk   Click Here to Email timjk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I decided to use 2v heads for my 351C street machine. Are all the heads for the later 351M/400's all the same? Did some of them use actual hard seats? Any help appreciated.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 02-12-2003 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I used to think they were, but I found out they weren't when we traced a vacuum leak on my brother's Torino to the intake ports on my brother's D5 heads being about .500" lower than his intake ports, causing a bad mismatch. People have said I'm wrong, but I saw what I saw.

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kid vishus
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posted 02-12-2003 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know about the seats, but the exhuast ports in the 351M/400 heads are really REALLY terrible. They are worse than a standard 2v cleveland head which isn't the best thing in the world in the first place.

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Mpcoluv
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posted 02-12-2003 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't worry about hardend seats.
I don't know of anyone that had any real problems with unleaded gas with a cleveland.

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timjk
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posted 02-12-2003 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for timjk   Click Here to Email timjk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmmmm...
Maybe I should just grab a pair of cleveland heads then. I understand the cleveland seats are induction hardened. Of course the machine shops always wanna sell me a set of new seats.

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Mpcoluv
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posted 02-12-2003 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by timjk:
Hmmmmm...
Maybe I should just grab a pair of cleveland heads then. I understand the cleveland seats are induction hardened. Of course the machine shops always wanna sell me a set of new seats.

Beware that most seats shops install are plain old cast iron.
Now Stellite seats are really hard, expensive and hard to machine.....

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bluestreek
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posted 02-12-2003 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kid vishus:
I don't know about the seats, but the exhuast ports in the 351M/400 heads are really REALLY terrible. They are worse than a standard 2v cleveland head which isn't the best thing in the world in the first place.

LOL!! Those Big 4V Cleveland heads of yours must have you really spoiled. When is the last time you saw a stock Windsor exhaust port? You can put 2 of them even in a 2V Cleveland.

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kid vishus
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posted 02-13-2003 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thye do have me spoiled, but after grinding on that stupid air injection bump around the valve guide for hours in a set of "M" heads, I know they are really terrible compared to a regular set of 2v cleveland heads.

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64FalconF-16
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posted 02-13-2003 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 64FalconF-16   Click Here to Email 64FalconF-16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In a word.....AUSSIES

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kid vishus
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posted 02-13-2003 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 64FalconF-16:
In a word.....AUSSIES

But those also requir alot of grinding to make flow halfway decent. Those small chambers which are good fro compression are terrible for flow. They shroud the valves badly. If you don't mind grinding on them in the chamber area to unshroud the valves, they work good for a mild motor.

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timjk
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posted 02-13-2003 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for timjk   Click Here to Email timjk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kid vishus:
Thye do have me spoiled, but after grinding on that stupid air injection bump around the valve guide for hours in a set of "M" heads, I know they are really terrible compared to a regular set of 2v cleveland heads.

My '72 4v heads also have that big bump in the exhaust port roof.

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kid vishus
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posted 02-13-2003 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by timjk:
My '72 4v heads also have that big bump in the exhaust port roof.

Not like the "M" heads have. The entire guide boss is encased in it. It is about as tall as the guide, sticks out just as far, and looks like a solid mass clear back into the bowl. Looking down into the bowl for the valve side, it looks like a big step in the port with the guide boss in the center of it. It's a lot worse than that little bump in the roof of the port that all the cleveland heads came with.

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