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Moneymaker
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posted 02-06-2003 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.nascar.com/2003/news/headlines/wc/02/05/winston_nascar/index.html
Looks like Winston is going to leave Nascar.
Union 76 too is jumping off the train.
It was only a matter of time that the cost was going to out weigh the return.
These big time racers and their hospitality busses, planes, helicopters, and lavish lifestyles have shown the sponsors where their money is REALLY going.

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posted 02-06-2003 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I heard it also had to do with all the impending lawsuits against them.

Maybe next year they will be racing for the "McDonald's Cup", or the "Coca-Cola Cup". That one kind of has a ring to it.

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posted 02-06-2003 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe if the big money leaves the sport it will bring more attention to the Sportsman classes?

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posted 02-06-2003 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The front runner to take over is Coke.
Of course this is on the heals of Coke's Powerade division signing a 5 year deal with NHRA and having a phenomenal 2002 season.

If more manufacturers looked closer at the Sportsman racers and how "REAL WORLD" fans and consumers related to them and the produts that they use, I feel that some eyes would really be opened up.

Question?

When you need a battery for your street car, what brand pops into your head first?
How do you relate to that brand?
If you are in the stands and see a race car going around or down track what makes you relate to a product(s) that you could possibly use?
When Excide sponsored Tony Schumacher's Top Fuel team, they wondered why they did not get the response in sales that they had anticipated. The car and team got huge exposure, yet sales did not increase.
Fans in the stands go to Sears or Wal-Mart for a battery.
Fans/racers/weekend warriors in the pits buy and install their own batteries.
Ever try and get into the Schumacher pit and talk to them?
Just where is the battery on a Top Fuel car anyway?
See what I mean?

The sportsman racer will endorse, talk about, show, and even tell you where to buy a product that they use succesfully.
More "consumers" buy performance products based on conversation and interaction with actual racers, than what they see on the side of John Force's or Tony Stewarts cars.

Just ask yourself when was the last time you purchased a product or part based on a Pro Racers endorsement?
Anyone use Pro-Long becuase Kenny Bernstien hawks it? LOL

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It just chaps my butt to go to Lowe's or Home Depot to get something since they sponsor those GM cars. I do think about that each time I walk in their doors.

Plus, they never have what I need nor anyone there that could help me find it if they did much less give me some intelligent information about it.

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posted 02-06-2003 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rustang   Click Here to Email Rustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kid vishus:
I heard it also had to do with all the impending lawsuits against them.

Maybe next year they will be racing for the "McDonald's Cup", or the "Coca-Cola Cup". That one kind of has a ring to it.



The lawyers are gonna get them too! Their food and drink causes weight gain and addiction!

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posted 02-07-2003 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I guess is my 1,000th post, so what better way to use it than to suggest "The HOOTERS double D cup"!! THAT will pack the stands I bet!!!

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posted 02-07-2003 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FYI

As I understand the battery story, with regards to Sears, you were buying an Excide batteries at one point.

Johnson Industries makes Interstate Batteries. Johnson Industries was selling to Sears with very low replacement problems, all lines of Sears batteries.

Then Sears got a better deal from Excide... Even though the Johnson Battery?s were holding up very well... the almighty dollar hard at work.

So, Sears switched to Excide for all Sears battery lines. What happened next was not good for Sears. The Excide batteries were failing left and right, costing Sears a lot of money.

Then Sears wanted to go back to Johnson to get their batteries again. Problem was, Johnson Industries had to let 2000 employees go because of Sears change and didn?t have the manpower to sell to Sears again.

However, Johnson Industries made a deal to sell the top of the line batteries to Sears, the Die Hard batteries only.

That was the last I heard of that story. Things might have changed since then.

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posted 02-07-2003 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Buster, I don't think that there was ever a quality issue with the consumers. I was just making a statment regarding that Sears Die Hard is probably the most recognizable battery brand with the general public ie: fan base.
IF...they were to purchase a battery it would probably still be a Sears over a labled Excide. I did a lille mini study and none of the fans (not racers or even super enthusiasts)that I polled would have bought a Excide battery based on the name being on the side of Tony Schumachers Top Fuel dragster. All said the same thing. "Where's the battery on one of those things anyway?"

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quote:
Originally posted by Rory McNeil:
Well, I guess is my 1,000th post, so what better way to use it than to suggest "The HOOTERS double D cup"!! THAT will pack the stands I bet!!!


Good Call!!

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posted 02-07-2003 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fordfan   Click Here to Email fordfan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if it weren't for the $$ factor, I would use Optima batteries.

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posted 02-07-2003 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex, I know... it's just a story I though interesting.

You just remined me of it by your post.

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posted 02-07-2003 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Buster, I always thought that it was General that supplied Sears.

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Alex, the story came from a Interstate Battery dealer that supplied me when I owned my automotive repair shop...

I couldn't say one way or the other whether or not it was true. But, he wasn't the type of guy to BS anyone.... cheap maybe, lol. but a good guy.

And from the stories I heard from the news... I would tend to believe him.

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i know that i personally have had more problems with die-hard batterys than any battery that i have ever owned!!

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posted 02-08-2003 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HIGH-RISER     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Got that right.

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Well the Die Hard and the Big Interstate battery are the same, I think anyway.

Interstate was having problems with the 850cca battery, mostly in Vans and other vehicles where air flow was limited.

What they did to fix it was remove some of the plates and lower the cca's. They said because the plates were so close it was causing an over heating of the battery.

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posted 02-08-2003 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well regardless of batteries, the race teams have priced themselves right out of RJR's and Unocal's budget.

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posted 02-08-2003 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry Alex....didn't mean to hijack your thread, lol

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posted 02-08-2003 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NO need to appologize there Buster.
These threads on M&M always move around a bunch. LOL

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LMAO... Now there's something "I" can relate to...
quote:
Originally posted by Rory McNeil:
Well, I guess is my 1,000th post, so what better way to use it than to suggest "The HOOTERS double D cup"!! THAT will pack the stands I bet!!!


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Hooters Double D Cup...i like that one! They already sponsor IHRA so why not?

I envision the trophy as having twin inverted bowls.

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posted 02-09-2003 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did any of you who watched the ESPN NHRA show last night catch the segemnt on Schumacher racing?
Their equipment including 7 tractor trailors and hospitality busses takes up over 18,000 square feet!

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quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:

Their equipment including 7 tractor trailors and hospitality busses takes up over 18,000 square feet!


They were calling it the 'compound', and that you needed a map to navigate it
Talk about getting too big for your britches

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Just heard on RPM Today that RJR may not make it to the end of the 2003 season with Nascar.

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Battery chargers are a good business, LOL! I liked it better before RJR came onboard. The few factory supported teams were the envy of others, but it still took talent. For 7 years Chevy did not win a race, (other than Bobby Allison, and his 65 Chevelle, which was a turning point in design, and his alone). Dont think it was from lack of trying on the part of the backdoor subsidized teams either. Ford and Mopar just had better engineers. I will miss the Winston girls that show up at event promotions, thats about all. As long as the government keeps their nose out of it. Otherwise it could end up looking like the Auto-Union/Mercedes days of the mid 30's. The ARCA race was sooooo much better to watch. Congrats to the "kid" that Alice Cooper sponsored. Alex, you probably know Bob Strait, great guy. Now for "Hooters Cup". The guys that own it, (the corporation) are a good bunch, and have given back to the sport immensely. Their short track series is real popular in the southeast. I often frequent the original one, (Clearwater) and quite frankly, wish that they could afford to take over the primary sponsorship role from RJR. But that would just lead to protests by "N.O.W." or something I suppose, LOL. I hate what Nascar has become. I wanted to print up shirts with a jock strap and checkered flags, and label THAT as "Winston Cup". The France family should be incarcerated along with Rick Hendrick for anti-trust violations, but money can buy your way out of anything. I'd rather see the old AAA governing things like it once did. At least there was no favoritism to one track/team/manufacturer over another, and the fairgrounds were in every county. Support your local tracks!

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18,000 square feet!!

How many square feet does my ramp truck and car use...hmmm 10x50 is 500sq ft right?

So the pits at a strip like the defunct Van Isle Dragway that held only about 120 cars with setups like mine could not even hold a 4 team funny car exhibition match!

Hooters sure is big into racing sponsorships, i sure don't mind ...i like eating dead chickens so i go to their restaurants for the wings ...........
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quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Well regardless of batteries, the race teams have priced themselves right out of RJR's and Unocal's budget.


Being around some of the NASCAR engine guys here in Charlotte, it's pretty eye opening.
If you have to ask the price, you can't afford to play.
The top teams have seemingly unlimited budgets......
Yates has over 80 guys in the engine shop....

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