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68stang351
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From: Savoy TX, USA
Registered: Mar 2002

posted 02-05-2003 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68stang351   Click Here to Email 68stang351     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First the specifics:
69 351W fresh rebuild .030 stock CR
Stock heads (for now)
Edelbrock performer RPM intake
Edelbrock 600 carb
Headman conversion headers

Thats really it besides all the little stuff (ign. and pulleys and what not)

Anyways here's the cams I was looking at, wondering if maybe they were possibly too big. What do you think?

Comp cams Extreme energy
XE268H
Adv. dur. I-268, E-280
Dur. @.050 I-224, E-230
Lift (w/1.6 rockers) I-.510, E-.512

Or

XE262H
Adv. dur. I-262, E-270
Dur. @.050 I-218, E-224
Lift (1.6 rockers again) I-.493, E-.500

I plan on putting some good heads on later, but I want it to work well with stock heads too. Or I may just get the cam, wait till I get heads too and do it all at the same time.

What's your opinions of these cams with stock heads, and also with trickflows or AFR 165 heads?

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D&S Induction Systems
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From: Columbia Heights Mn U.S.A.
Registered: Feb 2003

posted 02-05-2003 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D&S Induction Systems   Click Here to Email D&S Induction Systems     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So much to say and dont know whare to start...

As far as you're current plans go...I would
get the 268H (1600 to 5800 rpm) and do sme port work to the heads and intake so tha will keep up when you ring it out to 5800-6000 rpm's. The "performer RPM is only good idle to 5500. Witch can be changed.
I minght even open up the valves to 1.94/1.60.

NOTE: If you are serous about TF heads and want to run the "Twisted Wedge" heads, you are probibly going to have to get differnt pistons. (The location on the In. valve in NOT stock and require special valve relives.) I wouldn't run the performer RPM with TF wedge heads any way.

World makes a real nice 1.94/1.60 affordable iron head. You minght want to check them out.

Insted of the Edelbrock performer RPM. I probibly would have went with Weiand Stelth and some World heads.


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Dubz
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posted 02-05-2003 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dubz   Click Here to Email Dubz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
why would you choose a Weiand Stealth instead of a Performer RPM...

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posted 02-05-2003 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't !

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D&S Induction Systems
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posted 02-05-2003 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D&S Induction Systems   Click Here to Email D&S Induction Systems     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would
Well he's talking about getting some aftermarket heads.

The Performer RPM has an RPM range of idle to 5500 RPM's (out of box) Stelth is idle to 6800 RPM (out of box).

You will be better off with the Stelth if you're using aftermarket heads.

Even with some modifycations the Performer will have problems feeding the engine over 6050 rpm's.

If he leaves the heads the way thay are then I would go with the Performer. Just because is has a little better low RPM velocity.

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Dubz
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posted 02-05-2003 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dubz   Click Here to Email Dubz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the performer rpm is 1500 - 6500 rpm out of the box

If i am not mistaken, the range of the manifold is where it is designed to perform best, not that it stops dead and won't flow more air when it passes 6500 rpm

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MrWesson22
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posted 02-05-2003 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would never choose that weiand or a standard performer over an rpm. On every dyno I've ever seen, the rpm outperformed the standard performer from about 2K up. And why would you really care about a little hp under 2K when 98% of full throttle acceleration occurs above that rpm anyway? If you're planning on swapping heads, I would wait and do heads/cam at the same time. Any cam you get is either going to be too big now or too small with the aftermarket heads. If you're going with AFRs, I'd get the 185s over the 165s on a 351 for sure as well. But there are plenty of others here who know more about this stuff than I.

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D&S Induction Systems
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posted 02-05-2003 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D&S Induction Systems   Click Here to Email D&S Induction Systems     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, my mistake

I was thinking of the Performer, not the Performer RPM.

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bluestreek
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From: Athens,GA
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posted 02-06-2003 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the XE268 and the rest of your combo sounds OK for a stock 351. At least clean up the bowl area and the exhuast ports though. Please!!

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n2oMike
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From: Spencer, WV
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posted 02-06-2003 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bluestreek:
I think the XE268 and the rest of your combo sounds OK for a stock 351. At least clean up the bowl area and the exhuast ports though. Please!!

Grind that thermactor hump completely out of the exhaust port too!

A $19 Ebay 1/4" grinder and a carbide burr will make those humps disappear in no time! (just use a dimmer switch to keep the speed down)

Good Luck!

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Mike Burch
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Gearhead
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posted 02-06-2003 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gearhead   Click Here to Email Gearhead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I used the XE262H in my 308 that I had in my 1979 Pace Car. It was a great little cam, but with the extra cubes and better breathing of the 351 I would say go for the XE268H. It was a toss up between the two for me, but I was running a Performer 289 intake and the stock heads (with a little bit of bowl work), so I wasn't going to see any benefit from the extra lift or additional duration offered by the 268.

What I can tell you is that if the 262 is any indication of the performance of CompCams Extreme Energy series of cams, then you won't be disappointed with the XE268H!! My car pulled right from 1500 rpm, and sailed to 6000 with no problems, and no noticeable drop off between 5500 and 6000. Nice all around street/performance cam. Go for it!!

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68stang351
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posted 02-06-2003 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68stang351   Click Here to Email 68stang351     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks guys. You know they're cheap too! $106!!!

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68 Coupe, now with a 351W and 5speed.
Now officially dubbed "THE PIT"
87 LX Coupe - Daily Driver
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