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V8 Thumper
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posted 02-05-2003 07:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been reading a bit about it... can someone give it to me in English?

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Just Strokin
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posted 02-05-2003 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Just Strokin   Click Here to Email Just Strokin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is one way to think of valve train harmonics in a way you can understand it maybe.....


Have you ever had a tire on your car that at a certain speed it would vibrate, but at other speeds it was smooth?

The valve train parts and pieces, specially the springs have a certain frequency at which they resonate (vibrate).

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Moneymaker
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posted 02-05-2003 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just picture your rocker arms moving side to side in addition to up and down at 7000 RPM.
Think about what that does to your push rods and lifters, and of couse what the cam is thinking at this time.

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bluestreek
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posted 02-05-2003 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's the very reason I'm building a shaft mount system for a set of AFR 185 heads. All that movement and vibration scares me!!

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posted 02-05-2003 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work   Click Here to Email JCQuinn@work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't forget to add valve bounce to the harmonics picture. When the engine is spinning at 7000 rpm, each valve is banging against the seat 58 times per second.

The more radical the cam profile, the more the valve setting down on the ceat is like a collision instead of a closing. Most valve train problems are caused by insufficient valve spring pressure to keep the valve from bouncing.

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Moneymaker
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posted 02-05-2003 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Absolutley John!

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Alex Denysenko
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