Brought to you in part by:

M&M Restoration & Tool Supply Store

Great deals on auto restoration supplies!

.


NOTICE! The old Mustangsandmore.com is a read-only archive.
Currently the Search function is inoperative, but we are working on the problem.

Please join us at our NEW Mustangsandmore.com forums located at this location.
Please notice this is a brand new message board, and you must re-register to gain access.

  Mustangsandmore Forum Archive
  Ford Racing
  351C Roller Rockers

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
profile | register | preferences | faq | search

next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   351C Roller Rockers
64FalconF-16
Gearhead

Posts: 237
From: Republic Of Texas!! Temporarily living in KY
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 01-15-2003 07:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 64FalconF-16        Reply w/Quote
Are Scorpion Rocker any good?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33624&item=2400285843&rd=1

Thanks,

Rick

------------------
Rick Austin

64 Pro-Street Falcon
351C 4V 8.1s in 1/8
79 Ford Bronco 4 X 4
400 9.9s in 1/8
2000 F-150 XLT 5.4L
1932 Ford 3 window Coupe
http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/64FalconF-16.html

Just Strokin
Gearhead

Posts: 754
From: Tuscaloosa, Alabama
Registered: Dec 2001

posted 01-15-2003 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Just Strokin        Reply w/Quote
Just my .02 but I would buy Harland Sharp's before those.

------------------
Larry

No fast Fords at this time but one fine cruising 96 F350 CC DRW Power Strokin diesel.
And one rusty 64 Fairlane nick-named the Rust Bucket....And sometimes called the Money Pit...

The sounds of a brain dropping into gear.....
"Buzzzzzz.......Click"

kid vishus
Gearhead

Posts: 7251
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000

posted 01-15-2003 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus        Reply w/Quote
Personally, on valvetrain parts, I try to stay away from anything cheap, of unknown name, or anything that is questionable at all.

And to me, those fit all 3 of the above criteria.

Moneymaker
Administrator

Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99

posted 01-15-2003 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker        Reply w/Quote
Scorpion is a new company and makes a high quality precision rocker. Far superior to Harland SHarp. They are ratio correct, lighter, and stronger compared to the HS product. HS has not changed their design since 1960 and it shows.

------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator

NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,&'03
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com

64FalconF-16
Gearhead

Posts: 237
From: Republic Of Texas!! Temporarily living in KY
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 01-15-2003 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 64FalconF-16        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Scorpion is a new company and makes a high quality precision rocker. Far superior to Harland SHarp. They are ratio correct, lighter, and stronger compared to the HS product. HS has not changed their design since 1960 and it shows.


Thank you Alex. You da man!!

Rick

kid vishus
Gearhead

Posts: 7251
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000

posted 01-15-2003 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Scorpion is a new company and makes a high quality precision rocker.

Learn something new everyday.

Thanks Alex.

Moneymaker
Administrator

Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99

posted 01-15-2003 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker        Reply w/Quote
We took the line on in 2001.
When compared to HS, Crane Blazer, Lunati, etc. "econo" units, or over seas mail order "no name" crap rockers Scorpion stuff is fantastic.
The WORST junk I have ever seen are the rockers that Tommy Johnson's Mail Order House sells for $149. I would not use those on a chebbie.

For absolute top of the line premium rockers my choices are still Sig Erson for stud mount or T&D for shaft mount.

------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator

NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,&'03
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com

MrWesson22
Gearhead

Posts: 1295
From: Dacula, GA
Registered: Sep 2000

posted 01-15-2003 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22        Reply w/Quote
Who actually makes the comp cams rockers, and where do they place in quality?

------------------
Neal

69 Gulfstream Aqua Grande
351C/4sp
https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/MrWesson22.html

n2oMike
Gearhead

Posts: 3058
From: Spencer, WV
Registered: Jan 2001

posted 01-15-2003 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike        Reply w/Quote
The Comp ALUMINUM units used to be (and I assume still are) made by Dove. They are what I've got on the mustang, and have held up GREAT!

Dove also made rockers for Blue Racer, Speed Pro, and probably others.

Mine have been ABUSED for around 8-9 years now, and are still going strong. I have ZERO complaints. Good Stuff.

I have no experience with their 'pro magnum' line that is made from steel.

Erson makes a really nice full roller shaft setup for the FE engine. Everyone on the FE forum really raves about them. They are $600 complete, and shafts, stands, everything is included. They are fully rollerized, and are designed to NOT come apart in case of shaft breakage, etc. The engineer who designed them used to come onto the FE forum every now and then for feedback, and kept making running revisions to clear out any major bugs anyone had with specific applications. I purchased a set for a stroked 427 I'm in the process of gathering parts for, that will go in a buddy's car in the near future. There sure is a lot to learn about FE engines, and patience sure is a virtue when trying to accumulate parts and information!

Oh, sorry for rambling... I guess you figured out what you needed to know about Scorpion rockers....... and Comp (Dove) rockers are also good. Erson stuff is nice as well.

Good Luck!

------------------
Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367
http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220

[email protected]
Gearhead

Posts: 998
From: Lakewood, CO, USA
Registered: Jun 2001

posted 01-15-2003 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work        Reply w/Quote
Mike, something you need to know about FE engines is that the block moves a lot when things are torqued down. I recommend at least having the water pump torqued onto the block before boring and honing. I personally would bolt everything together that I could before doing any machine work.

When the heads are torqued to the block the valve seats distort and the end cylinders will leak excessivly. I tried doing a valve job with a torque plate fastened to the head for one of the local stock elim racers and he said it helped but there was still leakage.

I'm not saying the FE won't go fast just that the guys who have figured them out have had to deal with this problem.

John

n2oMike
Gearhead

Posts: 3058
From: Spencer, WV
Registered: Jan 2001

posted 01-16-2003 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike        Reply w/Quote
Thanks John,

But the block is already 0.030" over, so he's re-using the existing pistons. (which have very little wear)

This sideoiler spun a rod bearing around 20 years ago, and the owner wants to restore it to it's former glory. The TRW #2298 (428 crank) pistons have had their domes shaved to flattops. It will be wearing ported (by me) Edelbrock heads with 2.19" intake and 1.75" exhaust valves with an Erson rocker setup. It will have a medium riser (C7ZX) dual four intake with the an original set of carbs. It will have a solid lifter cam of around 245 @ 0.050" on the intake. The block will get the hydraulic lifter galleries plugged, and the bearings will be set up loose. The oil to the rockers will also be restricted.

It will be a streeter, but should be able to hold it's own at the track as well.

Now, if I ever get my engine put together, this one should be well on it's way this summer.

It will be my first FE... a stroked 427! I've done a LOT of reading and studying on these old beasts. There sure is a lot to learn with these things...

------------------
Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367
http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220

[This message has been edited by n2oMike (edited 01-16-2003).]

Moneymaker
Administrator

Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99

posted 01-16-2003 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker        Reply w/Quote
Mike, if it hasn't already been done, one trick that we always do on FE's is chamfer the main galley oil feed holes to match up with the bearing halves.
Also, I always used fully grooved main bearings on the 454 stoker deals along with a high volume oil pump.

------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator

NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,&'03
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com

SG236
Gearhead

Posts: 416
From: Jasper, TN, USA
Registered: Dec 2000

posted 01-16-2003 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SG236        Reply w/Quote
I use CROWER on my valvetrain (514BBF)

Moneymaker
Administrator

Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99

posted 01-16-2003 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker        Reply w/Quote
Crower SS rockers are great pieces.
Just HEAVY.

------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator

NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,&'03
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com

Kyle
Gearhead

Posts: 458
From: Sumner, WA
Registered: Dec 2001

posted 01-16-2003 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kyle        Reply w/Quote
I have a set of Yella Terra 1.7 roller rockers that I am considering using on a 351C project. Only thing is, they are the bolt down type, so no solid lifters, but no machining needed either. I have heard they are good rockers too.

n2oMike
Gearhead

Posts: 3058
From: Spencer, WV
Registered: Jan 2001

posted 01-16-2003 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike        Reply w/Quote
Thanks guys,

The engine will have a high volume, high pressure pump... and will use those Federal Mogul 3/4 groove race bearings.

The crank is a factory Ford 428, and the rods are LeMans units with ARP cap screws.

I'll definintely chamfer the bearings, Alex.

For this EXPENSIVE engine, we're definitely looking to do everything we can to make it live a long, prosperous life.

We're looking for around 0.0030"-0.0035" on the mains, slightly less on the rods. The engine will get synthetic 15w50. Again, we're doing everything we can to keep from spinning bearings. That last couple horsepower isn't really all that relavent in this expensive 'dinosaur'.

Thanks for the input!

------------------
Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367
http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220

kid vishus
Gearhead

Posts: 7251
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000

posted 01-16-2003 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Crower SS rockers are great pieces.
Just HEAVY.


Yes they are. On both counts.

Dad Vishus
Gearhead

Posts: 1153
From: Moscow, Iowa, USA
Registered: Dec 2001

posted 01-16-2003 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dad Vishus        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kid vishus:
Yes they are. On both counts.

I hope so. The entire valve train on the Falcon is Crower. Crower roller lifters are sure different from Lunatis. Lunatis have a riveted crossbar and the lifters have to be installed in pairs. The Crowers have a dogbone that comes off.

I must have 6 sets of Crower triple springs, most of which likely have one pretty easy season on em. The retainers are even Crower.

I have all but one of a spare set of rockers. One broke some years ago and Steve bought a whole set. I also have one set of new lifters and a used set that could be rebuilt, I'm sure.

Two things that I haven't got to put another motor together are rods and pistons. I have 2 standard cranks and 2 good blocks, one +.030 and one +.020.

I hope the Crower stuff holds up. I've got a fair amounr of it.

------------------
63 Falcon 377 Cleveland stroker Flying Toilet alchohol injection. 6.19 @ 110 MPH 1/8 mile
2002 Ranger FX4 daily driver
2000 F350 PSD Crew cab dually - Like commuting in a B52!!
98 US Cargo Phantom II 28'

Moneymaker
Administrator

Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99

posted 01-16-2003 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker        Reply w/Quote
It's good product. I use Crower rods a lot.

------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator

NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,&'03
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com

All times are ET (US)

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | Mustangsandmore Front Page

Copyright 2006, Steve LaRiviere. All Rights Reserved.


Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.47d

Amazon Honor System Click Here to Pay Learn More

[Build a free Mustangsandmore.ws Home Page!]

[Posting Pictures]

[About M&M][Members' Pics]

[M&M Conventions] [M&M Mug Shots] [Tech Articles]

[M&M Bookstore] [M&M Restoration & Tool Supply Store]