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I65Stang
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posted 01-06-2003 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I65Stang   Click Here to Email I65Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I havent had a chance to work on it because of work and school and what not (have only looked at it one day after it broke down and in that day I replaced the coil, pip, and ignition module) but went out today to look at it. Pulled the cap off the distributor and no spinning of the rotor instead of it being a straight electrical problem (no spark from the coil was the initial thing found). So that means either a broken timing chain or a sheared distributor cam gear (the one on the distributor is fine and when I pulled the distributor out I didnt see a problem with the cam gear as far as being warn). Regardless I have to pull the front off the engine so if its not the timing chain then I know the cam has to be pulled out. This engine has about 3K miles on it since I redid it . I should get to tearing down the engine this week.

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steve'66
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posted 01-06-2003 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Tim!

How've you been?
Glad you figured out the 5.0, I wonder what went wrong?!??!

We're goint to Sac this Sat for a T&T if you can make it out. But it sounds like you'll be wrenching instead.

SteveW

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I65Stang
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posted 01-06-2003 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I65Stang   Click Here to Email I65Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trying to survive right now. I am gonna be pissed if the timing chain broke, its brand new and there is no reason the cam gear should have screwed up... I hadnt even gotten on it yet .

I have three weeks to fix the 5.0 before school start back up so I'll try and get out there Saturday Steve (its my moms birthday so I have to see whats going on with that). Are they doing the early test n tune now or the afternoon/evening one still?

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steve'66
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posted 01-06-2003 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tim,

It's from 10am 'til 3pm, you can meet my buddy Glen'67 with his 428fe street stang too. It would be nice to see you if you can make it, but I know about Mom's too.

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posted 01-06-2003 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did you use Loctite on the cam gear retaining bolt?

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I65Stang
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posted 01-06-2003 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I65Stang   Click Here to Email I65Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll be there SteveW! We arent going out til the evening for my moms bday.

SteveL, yeah, I used loctite on the cam gear retaining bolt.

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Tim

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posted 01-06-2003 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GREAT!

We'll look forward to seeing you out there.

SteveW

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BLUE
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posted 01-06-2003 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BLUE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dont want to scare you but i had the same problemo,went to start 79 capri and no start, sounded like it had no compression,pulled cap off and the rotor was not turning, thought to myself cool timing chain and gears no biggie right, put that stuff on and went to start her up and guess what no compression, pulled heads and every valve but one was bent, bad luck huh, two weeks after putting new heads on lost oil pressure rod started knocking, so i was young and i needed a new motor anyway so i tried torturing the old 302 and to my amazement it would not blow up, held it in first gear( four speed) it would rev to about 4200 and stay there but never did give up completely. pulled the pan off when i got other motor in and the front main journal had quarter inch grooves in it.
just thought i would throw the story in if you needed a good laugh.

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posted 01-06-2003 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hellow Tim

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posted 01-07-2003 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Just Strokin   Click Here to Email Just Strokin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the pin is sheared, you can possibly turn the rotor by hand, not always.

If it is a sheared roll pin, find a 3/16" spiral roll pin instead of the normal roll pin (per advice from Animal Jim). Also check the distance from the base of the distributor housing that mates to the block to the bottom of the distributor gear. It should be 4.031"-4.038"

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posted 01-07-2003 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by I65Stang:
I havent had a chance to work on it because of work and school and what not (have only looked at it one day after it broke down and in that day I replaced the coil, pip, and ignition module) but went out today to look at it. Pulled the cap off the distributor and no spinning of the rotor instead of it being a straight electrical problem (no spark from the coil was the initial thing found). So that means either a broken timing chain or a sheared distributor cam gear (the one on the distributor is fine and when I pulled the distributor out I didnt see a problem with the cam gear as far as being warn). Regardless I have to pull the front off the engine so if its not the timing chain then I know the cam has to be pulled out. This engine has about 3K miles on it since I redid it . I should get to tearing down the engine this week.


Tim,

Before you pull the front off this engine crank the engine over and look at the cam gear with a flashlight to see if it's turning!

I'll bet the oil pump is jammed up, the drive shaft is twisted and the distributor gear's pin is sheared. The gear could look ok even with a sheared pin.

If the cam turns ok then you need to drop the pan, change the oil pump and dist drive shaft, and re-pin the distributor gear.

SteveW

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I65Stang
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posted 01-08-2003 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I65Stang   Click Here to Email I65Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The distributors gear was ok as was the pin. In order to replace the pip I had to take the distributor shaft out, trust me, that damn pin was in there good and the gear was too . Its an ARP oil pump driveshaft. I will pull the distributor out to check to see if the cam gear moves (already planned on it ).

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Tim

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I65Stang
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posted 01-08-2003 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I65Stang   Click Here to Email I65Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I pulled the distributor today. The pin that I installed is still definitely good and the cam gear is still on the cam good (tried to see if I could spin it on the cam). But went to crank the engine and guess what, nothing is spinning as far as the cam is concerned. Fun, fun. Time to do a timing chain on a 3K mile engine (pos timing chain, yes, I am sure it was installed and torqued correctly). Who makes a good timing set?

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posted 01-08-2003 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stewart   Click Here to Email Stewart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by I65Stang:
yes, I am sure it was installed and torqued correctly.

Make sure, Tim! Get ahold of the mechanic that worked on that puppy and grill him until you get the right answers! The dude may have had his head in the clouds or something and not installed it correctly. Heck, are you sure he even knew what he was doing????

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I65Stang
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posted 01-08-2003 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I65Stang   Click Here to Email I65Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol, I'm having it out with the mechanic as we speak .

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posted 01-08-2003 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stewart   Click Here to Email Stewart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bahahahahahahaha!

Watch it now! You'll get this thread sent to the Bawdy Shop!

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