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Glens67
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posted 01-04-2003 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glens67   Click Here to Email Glens67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK I'm thinking of installing an electric water pump on the 67 GT Mustang, 428 low mount alternator now. Should I go with CSI or Meziere? How do I mount the Alternator? The car will be street driven some as well as the 1/4 mile.
Anyone have some pictures
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Rory McNeil
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posted 01-04-2003 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know people who have used both the CSI & the Meziere pumps, both seem to work well. I had considered getting the Meziere FE pump for my Fairmont, but by the time you but the needed hose fitting, it`s pretty pricey. Another consideration, that may or may not concern you, is the lack of provisions for both the thermostat bypass, & heater hose connection.I wound up buying the Edelbrock aluminum pump, & re used my Moroso electric drive setup, which allowed me to keep my stock Ford alt. brackets. Since the new pump was a little stiff, I ran my stock non PS single groove pulleys for a weekend, to loosen things up a bit.

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steve'66
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posted 01-04-2003 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glen,

It's a waste of money buddy.

Not a total waste, but you could spend it other places for more gain. IMHO anyway,

But If you want it for cooling between rounds, just run the Moroso electric drive.

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Glens67
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posted 01-04-2003 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glens67   Click Here to Email Glens67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rory I thought about the Ed pump too but if I do go electric drive I wnat to do the electric pump way.
Thanks

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jsracingbbf
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posted 01-04-2003 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex,
Isn't CSI one of your sponsors? I have a remote mount. Some fellow on another site was complaining that CSI pumps emitted EFI and would interfere with a crank trigger or MSD. I did a little test with my 0'Scope and I found the CSI pump to be clean running. I did find some EFI emitted from a Perma cool fan though
Anyway have your heard of this b4?

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kid vishus
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posted 01-04-2003 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's a problem I see (and have seen happen at the track more than just a couple of times) with running one of those expensive electric water pupms. If it does happen to fail you at the track, more than likely, your day is done 'cuz no one will have the spare parts needed to fix it. An electric drive on the other hand, lots of guys carry spare motors for those.

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Rory McNeil
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posted 01-05-2003 03:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
KV is right, & if nobody does have the Moroso electric motor, it`s the same as most 60`s&70`s (maybe even later!) Ford heater fan motor!!

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capri man
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posted 01-05-2003 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yup for $20 i keep a spare in my truck. and hey, if someone needs one, they are $40 just like the moroso one. hehehe

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Moneymaker
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posted 01-05-2003 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anything electric can emmit RFI.
Yes CSI is one of our sponsors and their high quality electric water pumps are fantastic. Between the CSI pump and the Smith's radiator MM has NEVER seen the other side of 160 degrees. Even in SD during July, when the temp was 104 in the shade.
An electric pump will save HP and can be turned on and off.

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Dad Vishus
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posted 01-05-2003 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dad Vishus   Click Here to Email Dad Vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I'd recommend the Moroso, or similar also for emergency replaceabilty. It's also easier to convert back to crank drive for street use.

A motor plate does make the CSI a better choice. The plate makes mounting a drive motor more complicated, I would think.

I hope the CSI on my car doesn't crap out at the track. It is a real clean installation. I don't know what one costs, but if it wasn't already on the car, I probably wouldn't have one.

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Moneymaker
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posted 01-05-2003 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are easily rebuildable DV. You can send it down for an upgrade if it's an old unit.

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Alex Denysenko
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Dad Vishus
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posted 01-05-2003 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dad Vishus   Click Here to Email Dad Vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its about 5 years old, I think. I'd have to ask Steve for sure, but I think he put it on after he built this car and that was 5 years ago.

It really doesn't get run much. I forgot to turn it on one pass and about 165 was all I got for temp. If it happened to conk out, I could probably go without it under the right conditions. I shut it off as soon as I get to the trailer. Its not noisy, in fact its hard to tell when its running.

Can you get a kit, or does it have to go in to be redone? With what you know about it, would you worry about it yet?

Thanks.

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Moneymaker
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posted 01-05-2003 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For the $40 including shipping I would get it done. The new seals are ceramic instead of teflon and hold up forever. The new armature winding uses less current. Call the 1-800# and ask for Kim or Jason. The'll hook you up.

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Alex Denysenko
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Moneymaker
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posted 01-05-2003 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PS, find out from Steve if he ever registered the warrantee card DV.

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Alex Denysenko
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steve'66
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posted 01-05-2003 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Electric water pumps are as sissy as electric shifters!

Real men don't need no stankin' SISSY water pumps. ROTFLMAO


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Moneymaker
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posted 01-05-2003 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually Steve, REAL MEN don't need any water or water pumps at all. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha





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Alex Denysenko
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Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
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jsracingbbf
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posted 01-05-2003 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AND THE REMOTE MOUNT ONES (CSI Pump)ARE REALLYNICE. TOO NICE FOR ME TO KEEP EVEN.

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