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ZEATER
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posted 01-02-2003 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ZEATER   Click Here to Email ZEATER     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have heard a lot against running a solid roller cam on the street due to parts failure. I have two friends running solid rollers in Mopars (340 and 440) on the street. They use their cars similarly to mine, cruise nights, car shows and occasional drag strip time. Neither has had a problem after 3 years of use.

The 340 is pulling similar horsepower and torque to my 428 (382 hp rear wheel 403 torque).

Is there some reason the FE won't handle the solid roller or are the negative comments more hear say than experience?

It seems the increase HP using a solid roller is significant if it is possible.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated since I will be cam shopping this month.

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Moneymaker
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posted 01-02-2003 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hell no!
You heard all poor information. If you have oil in your engine you can run a solid roller forever.

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stoker
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posted 01-02-2003 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stoker   Click Here to Email stoker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have read alot of negative stuff about solid rollers on street to.i guess it boils down to how much you drive on street.i have heard roller lifters wont last 50k because of high spring pressures they require.what about longevity of havin to use bronse dist. drive gear?doesnt most deisels and harleys use solid rollers?the cost of them deters most.

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Moneymaker
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posted 01-02-2003 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And just how many hot rod motors are driven 50 k miles in their lifetime even if that were true?
The only difference between a hydraulic roller and a solid roller is one has a lash that must be maintained and the other is done automaticly.

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bluestreek
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posted 01-02-2003 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't recommend a solid roller to anyone. They make way too much torque and cause you to spend too much money on tires and traction. They also make a little bit of noise.

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steve'66
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posted 01-02-2003 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bluestreek:
I wouldn't recommend a solid roller to anyone. They make way too much torque and cause you to spend too much money on tires and traction. They also make a little bit of noise.


To quote my mentor, a solid roller is "the only way to fly"

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CJ
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posted 01-03-2003 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CJ   Click Here to Email CJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I run my solid roller 351C (70 cougar) all over town and then some and I wouldn't have it any other way. Kinda neat to listen to the auto alarms go off.

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two89w
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posted 01-03-2003 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for two89w   Click Here to Email two89w     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
is there any other cam??

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CometGT1974
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posted 01-03-2003 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CometGT1974   Click Here to Email CometGT1974     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Didn't most of the early muscle cars come with solid lift cams??

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ZEATER
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posted 01-03-2003 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ZEATER   Click Here to Email ZEATER     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the great info as usual. I have dropped from mid 13's to a 12.1 with help from here. The cuda rival I have ran an 11.86 last time out (without me there again). The track conditions were perfect.

Since last time I ran I have added 3" exhaust, fully ported the Ebrock heads installing larger intake valves, matched the intake to heads, switched to aluminum flywheel, increased compression by 1/2 point and am now getting ready to have a solid roller cam custom ground to flow numbers. I currently run hydraulic. I'm hoping I can surprise him our first time out.

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steve'66
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posted 01-03-2003 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CometGT1974:
Didn't most of the early muscle cars come with solid lift cams??


Many had solid flat tappets, but not solid roller lifters.

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clevelandstyle
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posted 01-03-2003 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clevelandstyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ZEATER:
Thanks for the great info as usual. I have dropped from mid 13's to a 12.1 with help from here. The cuda rival I have ran an 11.86 last time out (without me there again). The track conditions were perfect.

Since last time I ran I have added 3" exhaust, fully ported the Ebrock heads installing larger intake valves, matched the intake to heads, switched to aluminum flywheel, increased compression by 1/2 point and am now getting ready to have a solid roller cam custom ground to flow numbers. I currently run hydraulic. I'm hoping I can surprise him our first time out.



It looks like you are moving in the right direction. You can take the Cuda.

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7DMACH1
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posted 01-04-2003 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hydraulics are like power steering!!!!
Wimp Wimp Wimp!!! LOL RAY

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stoker
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posted 01-04-2003 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stoker   Click Here to Email stoker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok alex your definition of hot rod motor and mine might be a little diff.what about solid rollers requiring around 200#s seat pressure where a hyd. can only handle about 135#.dont get me wrong,nothing beats solid roller for all out racing,but when considering high cost of all parts required. on hot street engine with some longevity in mind i would spend money on heads or power adder

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