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Topic: Can you run a solid roller on the street???
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ZEATER
Journeyman Posts: 89
From: Mount Pleasant,IA,USA
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 01-02-2003 06:34 PM
   
I have heard a lot against running a solid roller cam on the street due to parts failure. I have two friends running solid rollers in Mopars (340 and 440) on the street. They use their cars similarly to mine, cruise nights, car shows and occasional drag strip time. Neither has had a problem after 3 years of use.The 340 is pulling similar horsepower and torque to my 428 (382 hp rear wheel 403 torque). Is there some reason the FE won't handle the solid roller or are the negative comments more hear say than experience? It seems the increase HP using a solid roller is significant if it is possible. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated since I will be cam shopping this month.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 19704
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-02-2003 06:53 PM
Hell no!
You heard all poor information. If you have oil in your engine you can run a solid roller forever.  ------------------
Alex Denysenko
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stoker
Gearhead Posts: 142
From: folsom,cal,
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 01-02-2003 08:49 PM
i have read alot of negative stuff about solid rollers on street to.i guess it boils down to how much you drive on street.i have heard roller lifters wont last 50k because of high spring pressures they require.what about longevity of havin to use bronse dist. drive gear?doesnt most deisels and harleys use solid rollers?the cost of them deters most.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 19704
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-02-2003 09:23 PM
And just how many hot rod motors are driven 50 k miles in their lifetime even if that were true? 
The only difference between a hydraulic roller and a solid roller is one has a lash that must be maintained and the other is done automaticly. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
MCA member# 53321
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,&'03
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
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bluestreek
Gearhead Posts: 1289
From: Athens,GA
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 01-02-2003 09:25 PM
I wouldn't recommend a solid roller to anyone. They make way too much torque and cause you to spend too much money on tires and traction. They also make a little bit of noise.  ------------------
1966 Mustang Coupe: Custom glass hood and BIG scoop sits atop a 289 stroked to 331 c.i., Steel crank and girdle, 5.4 H-beams, Forged slugs, ported TFS alum. heads, ported Stealth 8020 intake, CompCams Xtreme Solid Roller, Holley 750 HP, long tubes, 4speed, 9" 3.50 posi, BFG Drag radials..
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 6522
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 01-02-2003 09:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by bluestreek:
I wouldn't recommend a solid roller to anyone. They make way too much torque and cause you to spend too much money on tires and traction. They also make a little bit of noise.
To quote my mentor, a solid roller is "the only way to fly" SteveW
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CJ
Journeyman Posts: 30
From: Galloway, OH 43119
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 01-03-2003 01:25 AM
I run my solid roller 351C (70 cougar) all over town and then some and I wouldn't have it any other way. Kinda neat to listen to the auto alarms go off.
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two89w
Gearhead Posts: 196
From: sydney australia
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 01-03-2003 06:32 AM
is there any other cam??
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CometGT1974
Gearhead Posts: 181
From: Asheville, NC USA
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 01-03-2003 08:59 AM
Didn't most of the early muscle cars come with solid lift cams??
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ZEATER
Journeyman Posts: 89
From: Mount Pleasant,IA,USA
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 01-03-2003 11:02 AM
Thanks for the great info as usual. I have dropped from mid 13's to a 12.1 with help from here. The cuda rival I have ran an 11.86 last time out (without me there again). The track conditions were perfect.Since last time I ran I have added 3" exhaust, fully ported the Ebrock heads installing larger intake valves, matched the intake to heads, switched to aluminum flywheel, increased compression by 1/2 point and am now getting ready to have a solid roller cam custom ground to flow numbers. I currently run hydraulic. I'm hoping I can surprise him our first time out.
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 6522
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 01-03-2003 12:08 PM
quote:
Originally posted by CometGT1974:
Didn't most of the early muscle cars come with solid lift cams??
Many had solid flat tappets, but not solid roller lifters.
SteveW
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clevelandstyle
Gearhead Posts: 638
From: Connersville, IN
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 01-03-2003 09:40 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ZEATER:
Thanks for the great info as usual. I have dropped from mid 13's to a 12.1 with help from here. The cuda rival I have ran an 11.86 last time out (without me there again). The track conditions were perfect.Since last time I ran I have added 3" exhaust, fully ported the Ebrock heads installing larger intake valves, matched the intake to heads, switched to aluminum flywheel, increased compression by 1/2 point and am now getting ready to have a solid roller cam custom ground to flow numbers. I currently run hydraulic. I'm hoping I can surprise him our first time out.
It looks like you are moving in the right direction. You can take the Cuda.
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Ben
Grabber Green '70 Mach I 351C 4V
Robbin Egg Blue '79 Fairmont 351C 4V
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7DMACH1
Gearhead Posts: 1430
From: PHILA. PA.
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 01-04-2003 01:11 AM
Hydraulics are like power steering!!!!
Wimp Wimp Wimp!!! LOL RAY------------------
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stoker
Gearhead Posts: 142
From: folsom,cal,
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 01-04-2003 10:23 AM
ok alex your definition of hot rod motor and mine might be a little diff.what about solid rollers requiring around 200#s seat pressure where a hyd. can only handle about 135#.dont get me wrong,nothing beats solid roller for all out racing,but when considering high cost of all parts required. on hot street engine with some longevity in mind i would spend money on heads or power adder
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