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mtucker
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posted 01-02-2003 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mtucker   Click Here to Email mtucker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can it really be done? Can you really carve out another 76 cubes from a 351 when you can only get another 45 from a 302? Would a stock c4 handle it? What would the bore and stroke be?

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steve'66
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posted 01-02-2003 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes it can be done.
No a stock c-4 can't handle it, but a built one can.
It's a 4.030 std overbore with a 4.2" stroke.

A 408w is a better compromize of rod ratio and piston height it has a 4.0" stroke.

A 418 uses a 4.1" stroke.

Also a 302 block is no match for a 351w block. The 351w has a taller deck allowing more room for the longer strokes.

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posted 01-02-2003 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work   Click Here to Email JCQuinn@work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dont forget that you can go to a larger overbore with some of the SVO and Dart blocks. 4.125 bore with a 4.00 stroke is about a 427. (actual 427.65 but you can round down)

These blocks of course cost more but are also stronger.

John

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-02-2003 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about 454?

http://www.flatlanderracing.com/stroker351w454.html

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steve'66
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posted 01-02-2003 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah,

With an svo block you can make a 454!
4.25" Stroke X 4.125 Bore

But 427s and 454s are big block chebbies ain't they


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steve'66
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posted 01-02-2003 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're too quick SteveL

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denny
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posted 01-02-2003 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for denny   Click Here to Email denny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Real 427's are FE fords. I expect to have to remind my foolish chevy friends but having to remind you guys come on??!!!!LOL Alsop 454 are 427 fords .030 over with 428 cranks. Looks like ford has everything covered as usual.

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Dubz
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posted 01-02-2003 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dubz   Click Here to Email Dubz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
imagine a 454 out of a 351.....big block power with small block weight....MMMMMM

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steve'66
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posted 01-02-2003 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dubz:
imagine a 454 out of a 351.....big block power with small block weight....MMMMMM

Yeah, with aluminum heads, intake and headers it'll weigh about the same as a stock 289.

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TomP
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posted 01-03-2003 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually no, with an SVO block and iron heads that 454" Windsor will weigh like an FE!

With aluminum heads on each, close to the same ... the SVO 351 block is heavier than a 427 (200lbs) the heads are heavier and that only makes up for the FE's heavier crank, rods, and intake.

The SVO block is unbelievably heavy, very stout piece though.

I certainly can't recommend an offset 4.187 stroked 400 crank "427" , i've seen them break and the oil holes are right at the edge of the offset journals, weaking the throws a bunch.

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posted 01-03-2003 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work   Click Here to Email JCQuinn@work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you have a lot of money SVO has the alloy big bore block. I think that is what Steve Saleen is using for the all aluminum 351 based 427 he uses in the sports car he makes.

John

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jsracingbbf
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posted 01-03-2003 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why not just build a 385 series motor? It can be done for a resonable price. Assuming you can fit it into the engine compartment. Lower RPM, more Torque. Longer lasting. Unless of course this is a motor built for a specific class/ rule requirement racing.

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