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sodi
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posted 12-28-2002 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sodi   Click Here to Email sodi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know this is a question of controversy ,, but can anyone help me build some ponies on a budjet. Thought I,d start with heads but confused about new , rebuilt , or alloy . There going on a 351w 1970 Mach .2v I will be putting on Intake and carb at same time. So all you win. people !! maybe you could give me you,re input . This web is awwsome for info. thanks in advance Jim

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steve'66
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posted 12-28-2002 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jim,

Easy answer, use Edelbrock RPM heads and matching intake. 2.02 intake valves, roller rockers and a cam in the 280 adv duration range. It's a proven package Top it with a 750 holley and you'll have enough h.p. for 12 second 1/4 mile passes and it'll be streetable too.

SteveW

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69stanger
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posted 12-28-2002 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69stanger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
Jim,

Easy answer, use Edelbrock RPM heads and matching intake. 2.02 intake valves, roller rockers and a cam in the 280 adv duration range. It's a proven package Top it with a 750 holley and you'll have enough h.p. for 12 second 1/4 mile passes and it'll be streetable too.

SteveW



but will the 2.02/1.60 valves and 280 duration cam cause clearances problems for his Im assuming stock shortblock?

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sodi
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posted 12-29-2002 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sodi   Click Here to Email sodi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the responses, but, I guess I should have gone a step further in my goals.

Yes this is a stock sb. and a so-so show car. I also need the shaker hood to look original. Was thinking on the line of making the engine compartment look somewhat stock. So I was trying to avoid alloy heads,maybe just EDL. manifold and carb would be the only givaway.I read many posts and thought I could get some killer heads to do the job. Ps the 2.02 valves would need new pistons wouldn,t they ??
Not planning on going into the lower half. Thanks

70 Mach 351w 2v(now). JIM

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Mpcoluv
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posted 12-29-2002 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sodi:

Was thinking on the line of making the engine compartment look somewhat stock. So I was trying to avoid alloy heads,maybe just EDL. manifold and carb would be the only givaway.I read many posts and thought I could get some killer heads to do the job. Ps the 2.02 valves would need new pistons wouldn,t they ??
Not planning on going into the lower half. Thanks

70 Mach 351w 2v(now). JIM


You really need better heads. If you choose the cam wisely, you may not need to get the pistons flycut.
If you have an auto, use the Comp 270 cam btw.
A performer RPM is not so tall that it would interfere with shaker installation I wouldn't think. Others may have real experience though.

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steve'66
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posted 12-29-2002 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sodi:
Yes this is a stock sb. and a so-so show car. I also need the shaker hood to look original. Was thinking on the line of making the engine compartment look somewhat stock. 70 Mach 351w 2v(now). JIM

Jim,

If it's a "soso showcar" then the aneimic factory heads will be fine. I assumed you wanted to race it since you posted the question on the racing forum. But you could have the cast iron heads ported and have larger valves installed for more money than the aftermarket heads. At least it'll look good.

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64FalconF-16
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posted 12-30-2002 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 64FalconF-16   Click Here to Email 64FalconF-16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve,

Wouldn't a set of GT 40P heads meet his requirements (budget and Performance)?

A good Ebrock Intake, 750 DP and matching cam too?

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sodi
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posted 12-30-2002 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sodi   Click Here to Email sodi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thats what I was thinking Falcon What I don,t know, is will the GT40 P,s give me that mch better breathing and hp. When ordering ? Would I go with 4v ? and I,m assuming they make an Ebrock for that setup???

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posted 12-30-2002 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 64FalconF-16   Click Here to Email 64FalconF-16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only thing with the 40 P heads is that you have to order the header specifically for them. The spark plug is set differently.

the 40 P heads are supposed to flow better than "stock" heads.

I will defer to Alex, Steve or N20Mike to give you a more Technical answer.

Get the 4 barrell carb and intake.

How much rumpety bump do you want your engine to have?

Do you have any ideas how fast(times)you want to make it run at the track.
This information will help everyone help you. if you are not sure. Give us an idea of what cars you want to outrun....

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sodi
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posted 12-30-2002 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sodi   Click Here to Email sodi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I would like to pick up about 100 HP If that is reaonable.Factury specs. rate it at 250HP This is a 351w 2v 2bbl. 4sp. all stock and original in a 70 Mach. I realy don,t have any real time slip exspectaions other than to go down the road with the abillity to sound good look good and be able to kick a few chebby,s a$$es.


I read Alex,s post on 1HP per Qube. Does this still apply and sound reasonable?? That sounds like a lot of headwork. Thats why I asked about diff. heads and cost effectiveness. Thanks again Jim (the rookie.

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sodi
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posted 12-31-2002 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sodi   Click Here to Email sodi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everyone is talkin World Product. Windsor jr. Are they just bolt ons? And stock for headers ?

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68DARKHORSE
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posted 12-31-2002 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68DARKHORSE   Click Here to Email 68DARKHORSE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If World products are more than you want to spend, port those Windsors. You would spend more money on the GT40Ps with porting and special headers and not get the performance of the World heads.

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 01-01-2003 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sodi:
Was thinking on the line of making the engine compartment look somewhat stock. So I was trying to avoid alloy heads,maybe just EDL. manifold and carb would be the only givaway. JIM

Jim,
A friend of mine painted his 428 Edelbrock heads and intake FORD blue to match the block; at a passing glance it looked OEM! As far as the carb - it was hiding under the OE air cleaner/shaker. If you decide to go this route, don't forget to use a good etching primer on the aluminum before applying the blue.... just my 2 cents.

Ryan

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sodi
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posted 01-01-2003 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sodi   Click Here to Email sodi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone heard of Dove heads ?? A shop in N. Carolina told me they carry the bigger valves and flow good ???

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itlbrnmoff
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posted 01-01-2003 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for itlbrnmoff   Click Here to Email itlbrnmoff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you're referring to dove "C" heads.
Aren't those for a BBF?
If you're trying to stay really low budget and not wanting to be a major race contender, stab a cam in there...I've heard others on this sight highly recommend the Comp Cams 270H or 270S...new timing set...Edelbrock RPM intake...Holley 650-750 double-pumper...some cheap 1 5/8-1 3/4 full length headers...a couple Flowmasters, and there you go.
You'll sound good on the street, get a noticeable power increase, and with the 4-speed, people will think you have more power than you really do everytime you get sideways taking off from the light...but stay out of my town driving like that, I have a kid on the road...
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Originally posted by sodi:
Anyone heard of Dove heads ?? A shop in N. Carolina told me they carry the bigger valves and flow good ???

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posted 01-01-2003 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sodi:
Everyone is talkin World Product. Windsor jr. Are they just bolt ons? And stock for headers ?

Well, most things are not true "Bolt ons".
The Windsor Jr heads will use all stock intake and exhaust manifolds.
What is the shop in NC?
Are they talking about Dove Manufacturing heads?
They make FE heads of varying quality.

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sodi
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posted 01-02-2003 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sodi   Click Here to Email sodi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It,s called Muscle Motorsports.com

Check it out and tell me what you think.

I called them and they said there,s a head that was high perf. in early 70,s has a kidney shape bowl but good flow #,s

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Mpcoluv
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posted 01-04-2003 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sodi:
It,s called Muscle Motorsports.com

Check it out and tell me what you think.

I called them and they said there,s a head that was high perf. in early 70,s has a kidney shape bowl but good flow #,s


I don't see any heads at all on their site.
Where on the site are they?

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