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Dreamweaver
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From: Greencastle, PA USA
Registered: Oct 2002

posted 11-18-2002 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreamweaver   Click Here to Email Dreamweaver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O.K., I'll try to keep this as short as possible. I'm working on putting a 460 in my 85 mustang. My goal is to get it in as quickly as money will allow. Now I know the tranny has to change. I have a C6 I got with the engine(71 Lincoln by the way). But I'm sure it needs rebuilt. I have heard the C6 is hard to fit in the Mustang? I've thought of a C4, but I'm afraid it will take too much money to make it handle the 460. Where as a mostly stock C6 I am told can handle tons of power. What I would really like is to stay with a manual. But I'm not sure if there are any reasonably priced options? My thought as of now for the block is to stay mostly stock for now. I'm thinking of one of Summitts kits, for about $450 bucks that seems reasonable. Anybody bought any of these? I'd like to do more but with a new rearend, radiator, tranny, driveline, motorplate, etc. etc. I think it's all I can hope for right now. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. By the way, the car is street legal, but only gets maybe 4-5 hundred miles a year. Thanks.

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Just Strokin
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posted 11-18-2002 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Just Strokin   Click Here to Email Just Strokin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a friend that can get you a JW Ultra bell for the BBF/C4 at a lower price than at Jegs or Summit. I paid 235 for mine shipped to the door. I would go with the C4 at all possible. The JW, not sure about the JPT bell for the BBF/C4 makes installation a lot esaier since it drops about 4" from the upper bolts before it bells out for the converter.

If you go with a C6, see if you can find the case that doesn't have the fins on top. I know they made them for the small blocks but not sure about the BBF's. Also, if you could find the Lincoln C6 that is angled across the top. This tranny uses that bolt hold in the back of the block you have always wondered about. I have a pic of one but not sure if it is here at the house or work.

I have a 2YABC internal balanced offset ground crank - 4.14 stroke and 8 eagle 6.535 rods that I am not going to use. It was part of a Lunati kit. Pistons can ge bought for this combo from SRP. $475 plus shipping for the rods and crank and I will toss in a set of new clevite 77 cam bearings.

Also have a set of new 6.8 Eagle ESP rods for $450 plus shipping.

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TomP
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posted 11-18-2002 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you can use the factory bellhousing to adapt that C4 also...it has a D5OP...# on it i recall, it came in mid 70's cars with 351M's, Torino,Cougar,etc... easy to spot by its tall flange and it bolts to a large case C4 with 4 bolts sort of like a stick bellhousing rather than using the pump bolts.

C4's are icky and weak, but all automatics are crappy in my estimation... so check with these guys instead.

www.jericoperformance.com

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mustangboy
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posted 11-18-2002 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some of the early to mid 70s Lincolns had a c-6 with a very long tail shaft.I think all of the big block C-6s had the fins except for the CJ trannies.

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jsracingbbf
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posted 11-19-2002 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to M & M Dreamweaver! I wish I had some answers for you on what to do about the Tranny within a budget. I'd probably hold out for a built C4. Saving my greenbacks until I could make the purchase. Good Luck!

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Ryan Wilke
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From: Stanton, Michigan 49707
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posted 11-19-2002 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dreamweaver:
What I would really like is to stay with a manual. But I'm not sure if there are any reasonably priced options?

Hey Dude, Hang on to your wants & dreams! Hold out for what you really want! If you really want a stick shifting BBF, (Oh yeah!) then keep looking & asking for it even if you have to wait a little longer to get it!

If you're planning on keeping the 460 fairly stock for a while, you can go with a freshened Toploader - remember FoMoCo put Toploaders behind brand-new BOSS 429's, so one should work for your proposed setup!

If you later decide to add a bunch of HP to your 460, THEN you'll probably need to step up from the Toploader to a Jerico 4-spd, as TomP suggested earlier....but in the meanwhile, you'll still be livin' your dreams!!

Ryan

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SlowFord
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posted 11-19-2002 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SlowFord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you want a manual transmission for your 460, you may want to talk to David Kee at http://www.4speedtoploaders.com
He has a 4 speed behind a 429 in his '69 Falcon. If I remember correctly, his Falcon runs high 10's in the quarter mile, so his motor must be fairly healthy.

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Dreamweaver
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posted 11-24-2002 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreamweaver   Click Here to Email Dreamweaver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Man you guys sound like the voices in my head: every one has a different opinion Thanks for the input. I think I should go with the stick. Does anyone know what years of toploaders were the best and what I could find one in?

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