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ASTIKHOSSW
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posted 10-26-2002 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ASTIKHOSSW   Click Here to Email ASTIKHOSSW     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
a couple of weeks ago i smoked number 6 rod bearing out at palmdale fun ford day.i was wondering if you guys know of any company that makes high performance rod bearing for the F.E motors, my machine shop said that know one makes a performance bearing for F.E.
engines, is this a true statement.
THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-26-2002 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure they do. Vandervel for one and Clevite 77.

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Alex Denysenko
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ASTIKHOSSW
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posted 10-27-2002 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ASTIKHOSSW   Click Here to Email ASTIKHOSSW     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks ALEX,would you happen to have a part number on a good set of rod and main bearing
for a F.E. motor.i would prefer a racing type bearing.because i had the (P) bearing in my motor and spun one.THANKS AGAIN

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-27-2002 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No offence, but your machine shop dude needs to get some bearing cataloges.

Sealed Power HP rods = 7170CH
Sealed Power HP mains = 125M

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Alex Denysenko
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ASTIKHOSSW
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posted 10-28-2002 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ASTIKHOSSW   Click Here to Email ASTIKHOSSW     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Alex for your help on the bearing,i went over to my local speed shop named the service center and looked in his catalog a found a part number from clevite (cb-760-h)do you know if they still stock this part number.by the way owner of the speed shop is a superstock racer his name is Richard Salcido he runs a olds.with a 305 fuel injected motor.we will check out this number tomorrow when i figure out what size bearing i need.and i think my machine shop is trying to talk me into stroking a 390 crank and using off the shelf chevy racing bearing. Again Thanks

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-28-2002 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Figures......... those chebbie racers are always trying to corrupt Ford guys.

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Alex Denysenko
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mustangboy
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posted 10-28-2002 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Make sure you use a shop that has lots of experience with FEs.These motors have oiling problems and its very common to spin bearings and have bottom end problems.Without some oiling mods and proper clearances chances are it might happen again or worse.

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H8CHEVY
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posted 10-29-2002 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for H8CHEVY   Click Here to Email H8CHEVY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ASTIKHOSSW,
hey that wouldnt happen to be Service Center in Torrence would it??? they built my first motor 5 years ago and had nothing but good luck from that shop.. If it is I know exactly who the owner is...

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ASTIKHOSSW
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posted 10-29-2002 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ASTIKHOSSW   Click Here to Email ASTIKHOSSW     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NO h8chevy that is the service center Elmonte the parts store.
Well i checked out the bearing this morning and found number six rod bearing has been flatten as thin as a shim,but it has not been oil starved because there is no black and blue discoloration of the journal area are the bearing,number 5 has the copper showing and the tangs that hold the bearing to the rod are gone,but other than that,looks like i only need to get the crank reground and have the rods checked.whew am i lucky.the next set of bearing will be the nascar style of racing bearing i'll see what they can take.

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 10-29-2002 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ASTIKHOSSW:
...the next set of bearing will be the nascar style of racing bearing...

So, what is the difference between the NASCAR style and the HP style bearing that Alex suggested?

Ryan

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Rory McNeil
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posted 10-30-2002 03:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you have some other problems. I use the regular Sealed Power Clevite 77 main & rod bearings in my 10 sec. 428, after 3 race seasons, the bearings still looked fine, I only replaced 1 rod bearing pair, due to some fairly minor scratches, all the rest went back in for another year. I`ll likely pull the pan off & check again over the winter, but I`m sure the bearings will still be OK.

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n2oMike
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posted 10-30-2002 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd have the crank journals DOUBLE checked to make sure they aren't out of round.

Good Luck!

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ASTIKHOSSW
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posted 10-30-2002 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ASTIKHOSSW   Click Here to Email ASTIKHOSSW     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ryan,there is no difference i just referred to them as nascar because in there write up they are competition bearing.so Rory did you do anything special to your oil system besides the normal F.E. mods..i think i am going to park the cobra jet engine and replace it with a 390.i,m just debating whether to use stock cobra jet rod s or the expense of the eagle rods.

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-31-2002 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eagle rods are clubs chizled out by Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble. Have your CJ rods sized and spend your money elsewhere.

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Alex Denysenko
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Rory McNeil
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posted 10-31-2002 02:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe Alex is correct, I talked to a Ford engine builder who put together a 427 Tunnel Port for a customer, with Eagle rods. After racing for several weekends, it blew up, he said that 1 of the Eagle rods broke in the center for no apparent reason, no bearing damage or siezed wrist pins, etc. Now, a Crower rod, that`s a different story! My buddy`s SS/F, 9 second 396 66 Chevelle has been running the same Crower rods for 4 years now, they always look mint, despite the occasional 9000 rpm clutch dump! Crower does make a FE rod, but they are a bunch more $$ than the Eagles, but if you can scrape the money together, that`s the route I would go. On my 428, I use the 3/8" C7AE-B rod, basically the same rod as the CJ, but without the oddball 13/32" bolts. With the ARP bolts, I think they are stronger than the slightly larger CJ bolt, plus they have a bit more meat around the boltholes. I did the usual FE oil mods, enlarged the oil pump to oil filter adapter holes to 7/16", with large chamfers where the block & adapter meet. Also opened up the oil holes in the main bearing saddles to match the bearings holes, block the oil passages to the hyd. lifter galleys (I run a solid cam), ran a long drill thru the main galley in the lifter valley, & restricted the oil going to the rocker shafts. I use a Melling HV oilpump, with a large diameter ARP or FPP driveshaft, along with a stock type CJ windage tray. I also use a large (1/2" diameter) 391FT truck pickup tube in my 4x4 pickup truck oil pan, as the stock tubes are quite small. I built this particular 428 back in early 1994, it has several hundred 10 second 1/4 mile passes on it, & has only been freshed 3 times, with no bearing problems to date.Hope this helps.

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78 Fairmont 428 4 speed [email protected]
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed [email protected]
85 Mustang NHRA Stocker under construction, 302 5 speed
59 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 dr sedan 332, auto
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ASTIKHOSSW
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posted 10-31-2002 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ASTIKHOSSW   Click Here to Email ASTIKHOSSW     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes sir Rory sounds good,i did those same modes
to my oil system except the long drill bit thur
the oil galley,what is that for.also i was running the scj cap screw rod with arp bolts.
guess what i went by the machine shop today to tell the machinst that i found some racing bearing for an F.E. and i told him the part number and he still said that those bearing were a piece of junk and he really believes those eagle rod or great,so i grabbed my crank rods and heads and went to another machine to have the work done.

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-31-2002 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that you may have more piece of mind this way.

I have found that 90% of the FoMoCo engine builders can build good chebbie engines. It seems the other way around with the chebbie orientated shops.

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Alex Denysenko
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Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"

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Rory McNeil
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posted 11-01-2002 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I ran the d=long drill through the upper main galley mainly to make sure there were no restrictions inside. I have heard people say that there is a restriction between the 4th & the rear vertical galley offshoots, but I`ve never seen one. Years ago, I once opened up the diameter of the long main galley to 1/2", it took a LOOOONG time, using a 12" drill bit, first from one end, & hten the other.I also drilled out the galley between the main bearing saddles,up through the cam bearing bores, but don`t do it anymore as the chance of breaking thru, or weakening the casting is just too great. I don`t rev my 428 real high, launch at 6200-6400 rpm, shift at 6000-6200, it does hit 6700 rpm going thru the traps, but I think i`ll be swapping the 4:88`s for some 4.56`s for next year, which should drop about 300 rpm.

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78 Fairmont 428 4 speed [email protected]
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed [email protected]
85 Mustang NHRA Stocker under construction, 302 5 speed
59 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 dr sedan 332, auto
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