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'69Stang
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posted 10-21-2002 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for '69Stang   Click Here to Email '69Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
50 degree day with 25 MPH headwinds were the conditions. I ran on street tires - Hoosier quik-times. 1st run was the following:

60 foot: 1.903
1/4 mile ET: 12.763
1/4 mile MPH: 113.67

Have not quite figured out the shifting and rev points yet. Lots of tire spin in between 1st/2nd shift. I was shifting around 6400-6500 RPM's.

Best run:

60 foot: 2.008
1/4 mile ET: 12.51
1/4 mile MPH: 115.89

I increased the shift points to 6700-6800 RPM's and the engine seemed to like that. It was great to hear the engine singing at 6800 RPM's!!

I Definitely need to learn how to drive/launch the car at the track. Also, coming off the line I feathered the throttle and then would mash the accelerator after it felt like the car got traction. Unfortunately this would often result in a bog and stumble so I obviously need to get the carb straightened out. But all in all it was fun and now I have a good baseline to work from and hit the dyno with.

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Mpcoluv
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posted 10-21-2002 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What were the times before the intake change?
I assume (hope actually) you went faster with the parker intake....

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posted 10-21-2002 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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'69Stang
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posted 10-21-2002 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for '69Stang   Click Here to Email '69Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, this is the first time I've taken the car to the track and this is the only intake I've run. I just got the engine together and now it has about 750 miles on it.

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Mpcoluv
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posted 10-21-2002 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by '69Stang:
No, this is the first time I've taken the car to the track and this is the only intake I've run. I just got the engine together and now it has about 750 miles on it.

[This message has been edited by '69Stang (edited 10-21-2002).]


What cam are you running?
If the mathematical HP calculators are any where near correct, you have 390hp to run the 115 MPH speed.
I assumed 3200 pounds which may be too light.

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Rory McNeil
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posted 10-21-2002 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BUY REAL SLICKS!! Your MPH is good for mid-high 11`s, but your 60 foots are more in line with a 13 second car.

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'69Stang
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posted 10-21-2002 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for '69Stang   Click Here to Email '69Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mpcoluv wrote:
"What cam are you running?
If the mathematical HP calculators are any where near correct, you have 390hp to run the 115 MPH speed.
I assumed 3200 pounds which may be too light."
-The cam is a solid roller with 234/236 duration @ .050 and .588 lift. Mild idle. I'm not sure what the car weighs but I'm assuming around 3400 lbs.

Rory McNeil wrote:
"BUY REAL SLICKS!! Your MPH is good for mid-high 11`s, but your 60 foots are more in line with a 13 second car."

-Yup, need slicks. 60 foots are pretty amateurish, looks like something that goes with a 13.8 quarter. I'd like to get into the 1.70's.

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posted 10-21-2002 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clevelandstyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why stop at 1.7s. You can get better than that with the 115 mph.

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'69Stang
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posted 10-21-2002 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for '69Stang   Click Here to Email '69Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any suspension mod's I should make? Like battery in the trunk, slicks,........? I'd like to get 1.70's or better but I'm not sure my suspension is good for it. The only mod's I have are the drag shocks (80/20), Shelby under-rider bars and sub-frame connectors.

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kid vishus
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posted 10-21-2002 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your suspension will do that. When I raced my 70, it had slapper bars, 70/30's on the front, front swaybar unhooked, unknown shocks on the back, using 28x10 slicks and it would 60' in the mid 1.60's all the time.

I never even moved the battery or anything like that.

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madmanmike
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posted 10-21-2002 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for madmanmike   Click Here to Email madmanmike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you like the funnel web? do you have anything else to compare it to? I have a tunnel ram with 2 660 centersquirters and trying to fix a bogging problem
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'69Stang
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posted 10-22-2002 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for '69Stang   Click Here to Email '69Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally, I like it. I chose it because it seemed to give good torque production and throttle response along with very good high end horsepower production. Of course, all of my sources were from people who had been to a dyno and compared it the Holley Strip Dominator - I didn't do the test myself. I was concerned that the Strip Dominator was too slanted towards the top-end and sacrificed the bottom end. That's why I bought the Blue Thunder dual plane initially. However, after time I realized that this is a cleveland, and that high end horsepower is what it is all about. So I began searching again and found, from anecdotal evidence of course, that the Parker Funnelweb seemed to out perform the Holley Strip Dominator across the board. This is the most recent Funnelweb, however. I saw alot of people criticize the earlier versions. Also, some people swear the the TFC single plane Australian intake is the best. Anyway, I was sold on the concept of this intake.

I have been very impressed with the intake and I attribute the high shift points (near 7000 RPM) principally to this intake and the titanium retainers, not my little solid roller. As a note, I did have the intake ports in the heads epoxied and matched to the intake. The only down-side to this intake is that it is quite tall - but if you are running a tunnel ram I guess that isn't an issue for you!!

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posted 10-22-2002 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for '69Stang   Click Here to Email '69Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kid Vishus: thanks for the advice. I guess I'll just have to run down some slicks and some rims. Any suggestions on a size that will fit with the '69 body style? Should I get skinnies also?

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kid vishus
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posted 10-22-2002 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I ran 28x10's on the back, and they fit pretty good. I dont remember exactlyt he backspacing I had, but I needed a little more to make them fit "perfectly". I never ran the skinnies on the front of my 70 (but I did run a fairly skinny normal tire), I drove it on the street too much for that.

I'm hoping to do some testing of an Aussie intake vs my strip dominator on my race motor and see how they compare on the upper rpm power. But my strip dominator intake has had some work done to it, unlike the ones I bet they used for the other tests. I may be wrong, but I kind of know how they bias those tests.

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Mpcoluv
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posted 10-22-2002 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kid vishus:
I ran 28x10's on the back, and they fit pretty good. I dont remember exactlyt he backspacing I had, but I needed a little more to make them fit "perfectly". I never ran the skinnies on the front of my 70 (but I did run a fairly skinny normal tire), I drove it on the street too much for that.

I'm hoping to do some testing of an Aussie intake vs my strip dominator on my race motor and see how they compare on the upper rpm power. But my strip dominator intake has had some work done to it, unlike the ones I bet they used for the other tests. I may be wrong, but I kind of know how they bias those tests.


If my parker intake doesn't slow your car down, I would consider it a victory......

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'69Stang
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posted 10-22-2002 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for '69Stang   Click Here to Email '69Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kid vishus:

I'm hoping to do some testing of an Aussie intake vs my strip dominator on my race motor and see how they compare on the upper rpm power. But my strip dominator intake has had some work done to it, unlike the ones I bet they used for the other tests. I may be wrong, but I kind of know how they bias those tests.

What do you think is being done?

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kid vishus
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posted 10-22-2002 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My thoughts, I bet if it was the makers of the Funnelweb doing the tests, they were using a stock as cast strip dominator and using thier intake that had been ported.

That's a pretty standard practice amongst manufacturers that want to show thier product is best.

I very well could be wrong, but no one ever says "my product makes the second most power behind so and so's.." That's not the way to sell your product.

BUT, if it was a true independant test, the results shouldnt have been biased.

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kid vishus
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posted 10-22-2002 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just for a point of reference for you about your times. When my 70 was running 12.60's, it was running mid 1.60 60' times.

If you can get your 60' times down in the 1.70's, I bet high 11's would be within reach. And that's impressive.

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