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Moneymaker
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posted 10-16-2002 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who has any and how light are they compared to the stock stuff? What brand and how much were they? I am looking for an inexpensive alternative to Wilwood. Don't get me wrong, I love the Wilwood product. I recomend, sell, install, and use the stuff. I just want to know if there is anything less expensive out there. Has to be cheaper by 25% or better. Thanks

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posted 10-16-2002 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wireman   Click Here to Email Wireman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex,

I don't know of any aftermarket stuff less expensive than the Wilwood stuff.

I researched this a while back and came up with Wilwood being the best alternative at the cheapest price.

I do have a stock 5 lug set up for a Fox I can sell ya for the front.
They are heavy..

I did the Wilwoods on the rear first and man oh man what a difference.


If it were me, I would leave the stock stuff on the front and hunt down a rear disc kit for the car. I know the stock stuff is easy to come by in salvage yards.
I know several that have done that and have no issues stopping the cars.

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-16-2002 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Needs to be four lug Randy and the car already has good stock brakes. It's for our Capri stocker. NHRA as of yesterday has now allowed aftermarket disc brakes in stock eliminator.

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posted 10-24-2002 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fordwiser   Click Here to Email Fordwiser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any luck Alex? Seems like there would be a big market for a middle of the road kit. Look at how many companies jumped on the liteweight K-member bandwagon.
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posted 10-24-2002 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nada!

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Alex Denysenko
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posted 10-25-2002 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 1520Stk   Click Here to Email 1520Stk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Alex,

Have you looked at Aerospace Components? Not sure how much the Wilwoods cost, but an Aerospace bolt on kit for a late-eighties Mustang is around $525. Kit includes 10.25" dia. rotors, 4-piston calipers, billet mounting brackets, Grade 8 hardware, etc. and meets NHRA standards. Supposedly a bolt on with some minor modification to the factory spindles.

I called Aerospace and was told the kit would remove 38 lbs. from the front of my car, but I'm still running the factory 11" discs - would probably be only 25-30 lbs. on an ?86 with 10" discs. I haven't used Aerospace stuff before, but I've talked to some of the heads-up guys running them and they loved ?em.

I didn't really want to spend the money on new brakes, but it looks like they're gonna have one pound weight breaks in the new NHRA EFI classes (my car fits perfect at 14.50 lbs.), so I either need to lose 100 lbs. or fatten up over the winter (hmmm . . that sounds a lot easier).

Any word yet on weight breaks or indexes for the new classes?

Jim Klacik
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posted 10-25-2002 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Jim, first of all welcome to M&M !
Thanks for the Aerospace info. Are the Aerospace units 4 lug? DO you have a phone number or website address? I had heard they are 5 lug.
I'll know more tonight about the EFI weight breaks, but I am told that the split between 1 and 2 lbs will occur at the G-H classes. They WILL be at full lb breaks by the way I am also told. Do you have an aluminum front face bar yet?
The good news is that we are going into the holiday season Jim !

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posted 10-25-2002 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TurboGT   Click Here to Email TurboGT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex,

The Aerospace units are available in 4-lug. From what I've researched, they look like they'd be the lightest of all, and priced right. They also run ads in Dragster.

http://www.aerospacecomponents.com/

It'd be nice if one of them would pay class contingency, huh? It might help to offset the cost of upgrade, now that everyone will have their own EFI class to run in.

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posted 10-25-2002 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Mark. I will investigate them more today. Classes will be AFI/A-K/A and AFI/A-K for stick. As I understand it they will be at one lb breaks up to GFI then 2 lb HFI and down. Alex

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posted 10-26-2002 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everything is on hold!
NHRA will announce "accepted" brands and model/series of the "accepted" manufacturers.

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Alex Denysenko
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Rory McNeil
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posted 10-26-2002 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmmm... NHRA "approved" eh? Kinda smells of a $$ under the table deal, doesn`t it? Hey, Alex, do you know if NHRA requires the original 4 bolt pattern on FOX Mustang Stockers? I hope not, as I have 31 spline Moser axles with 5 on 4 1/2" bolt pattern, thinking that the added saftey of the 5 lug would be a good idea.

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posted 10-26-2002 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No they do not require 4 lug Rory. 5 lug is perfectly acceptable. We kept ours 4 lug due to personal preferance.

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Alex Denysenko
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posted 10-27-2002 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 1520Stk   Click Here to Email 1520Stk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Alex,

Looks like I'm on hold with the Aerospace brakes until I see if they're legal. They better be! I'm not going to spend four figures to get 30 lbs. off the front of the car. Am also wondering if IHRA will pass the brake rule - I'd hate to not be able to run some of their races if I switch to the aftermarket brakes.

Although I'm against adding any new classes to Stock, I'm gonna wait until I see the indexes before I bitch and moan too much. Somehow I think the FI Mustangs are gonna get screwed in the deal! Seems like everyone forgot about our cars when they were crying about Corda and the LS1. Well, as long as all the carb guys are happy, who cares about the rest of us! (Sorry for the sarcasm . . .)

Question - What happens to the fuel injected trucks currently running? Are they in the FI classes or staying in the truck classes? Maybe they'll get some 'more appropriate' indexes. Sheesh . . . .

Will the aluminum front bumper fit an '87-'93 Mustang? Does it save any weight over the stock plastic piece? If so, I'm gonna have to look around at my local junkyard. This summer I found TWO sets of aluminum rear brake drums there in cars sitting right next to each other! One was a '79 turbo Cobra and the other was an '81 notch with a six-banger.

Later,

Jim K.
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posted 10-27-2002 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jim, I am 90% certain that IHRA will adopt the NHRA brake rule. Top Stock has been begging for it anyway and many of the A-B C/M cars are over 130 MPH already.
I completly agree with you on the FI and Mustangs issue. I have kept very quiet about the new classes awaiting the final indexes and absolute weight breaks. I have a feeling that we are indeed SCREWED though my friend.

As far as I have heard (I asked)the trucks and FWD cars will remain in their respective classes regardless of induction. There will be some index modifications.
The aluminum face bar piece will fit 79-93 cars and is very light. The usage was sporadic and is acceptable.
We have aluminum drums on the Capri only. I had a hard time finding any. Our good friend Jessie Holmes found us a pair down south.

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2lb weight weight breaks starting at 14, huh? Suppose we'll still get to move down one from natural class, even though we're in the 2lb range? That could be a lot of weight to add for the class switch in some cars.

I have an aluminum face bar on my car. It's from a higly optioned '81 6cyl hatchback. It's the only one I've ever come across, and I've been searching salvage yards for about eight years. Mine was "supposed" to have come with one (original early carb turbo car), but didn't.

I also have the aluminum rear bumper structure. They seem to be a bit more common, but are susceptible to rot at the bolt mounting areas.

Are you guys using the "light" front crossmembers (the one with all of the holes in it), too?

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posted 10-28-2002 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Capri came with that swiss cheese "K" member. The convert has the standard duty one Mark.

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posted 10-28-2002 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have found several sets ofaluminum rear brake drums, as well as both F&R aluminum bumper supports, & the newest car I found either equipped with in wrecking yards was a 81 or 82. As to why some cars have them, but most don`t, I can`t say. Other than 1 79 pace car, everything has come from 6 cyl. cars, with no apparent reason what the factory criteria was. All the 87 & newer Mustangs I`ve seen in wrecking yards used a plastic/fiberglass F bumper support, I don`t know if the early car support would work or not, it does LOOK different. I check every 79-82 Mustang I see at the wreckers, with a pencil magnet, & I`ll bet I checked over 300 cars over the past few years, & have come across MAYBE 5 or 6 with the aluminum bumper supports. On the brake drums, I wonder if perhaps all the early cars may have had them, but possibly had them replaced with iron drums under warranty, or in a recall situation. Anybody here working at a Ford dealership in the early 80`s that could offer any insight?

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Well, I hope all of this rule changing doesn't end up killing the class. About all we've accomplished with the brake rule is to increase the initial cost of building a competitive stocker. Why can't the "safety" advocates see this? They only needed to be "forced" to run the factory option disc brakes on the faster cars. Grrrr.

I've never seen any of the aluminum drums, either Fox body or Continental variety. I guess it won't matter now, huh?

The only info I've been able to get from the NHRA hotline on any of the topics, is that "It'll be posted on the NHRA website in a few days". You're doing much better than I am, Alex. At least you're getting some info.

I don't like the idea of these EFI classes. It looks like a good way to screw everybody with a "black box" with a stroke of the pen...

Is the 'vert for sale Alex, or is this just internet rumor (rumour for you north of the border guys)?

Mark Walton
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posted 10-28-2002 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's just a rumor Mark. Probably started by some midget in MN.

But then again, if somebody was to make me an offer I couldn't refuse........-.5 to -.7 under anywhere and the most consistant car I have ever driven in my life.

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Alex,

You mentioned NHRA will publish accepted brands and model/series for the aftermarket brakes. In reviewing the early information, it looks like the aftermarket brake specs are the same as for Super Stock - are there accepted brands in Super Stock? Or is NHRA just going to list acceptable brands/models in Stock? Just curious, as I like the Aerospace kit the more I look at it. Any idea what an equivalent Wilwood kit costs?

Take care,

Jim K.
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Hey Rory,

During your junkyard excursions, have you ever compared the weight of one of the early style aluminum front bumper supports to a later model ('87-'93) plastic bumper? I'm curious how much lighter they are before I begin my "search for the holy grail" . . .

I'll probably have to take over 100 lbs. out of my car (or add 100 lbs. - yuck!) since we're going to full one-pound weight breaks next year.

Jim K.
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