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Kyle
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posted 10-04-2002 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kyle   Click Here to Email Kyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I wanted to build a good strip C4, what parts should I use? I have a case fill tranny, built 1972. What rebuild kit should I use? Should I use an aftermarket servo? Kevlar bands? How many clutches? What valve body? What is your recipie for a stout homemade C4 and how much torque will it put up with?

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Kyle Laramore

63 Fairlane: 302, Victor Jr. heads and intake, solid lift cam, super comp headers, MSD 6al and duraspark, 650 DP carb, C4 w/ Hughes converter, man. valve body

66 Mustang coupe: 289, offy intake, Holley 600 vac. sec., long tube headers, 3spd stick

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-04-2002 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a recipe (s), but have long since stopped doing my own transmissions. By the time you buy all the parts,have the machining done there isn't much savings. A couple of hundred dollars at best. You can buy a great race full manual C-4 from JPT for $895.

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Alex Denysenko
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Kyle
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posted 10-04-2002 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kyle   Click Here to Email Kyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So whats your recipe? I would like to know what I can do to my C4 to make it better for racing. I know it wouldn't be as good as a JPT tranny, but much better than a stock unit.

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mustangzrule
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posted 10-07-2002 08:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangzrule   Click Here to Email mustangzrule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We're all friends here, I can post a link to another forum right?

http://www.fordmuscle.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=1626&forum=13

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-09-2002 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Parts list.
D0TE front pump.
V-8 4 clutch direct drum
Kevlar flex band
Steel cage plnetary gear set
Red Raybestos clutches all (blue ones are not worth the money)
Large assortment of select steels
Light duty pressure plate
NEW Bellville spring
High Quality double lip seal kit
C-6 front bushing
And most important, a high quality manual valve body. JPT builds the best one.

You will need some select snap rings to retain the clutch packs and the ability to machine new snap ring groves in the high and direct drums.
A deep pan is a good idea also.


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Alex Denysenko
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Just Strokin
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posted 10-09-2002 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Just Strokin   Click Here to Email Just Strokin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex, What about the intermediate servo? Which one do you use? Or does JPT make his own servo and cover?

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Larry

No fast Fords at this time but one fine cruising 96 F350 CC DRW Power Strokin diesel.
And one rusty 64 Fairlane nick-named the Rust Bucket....And sometimes called the Money Pit...

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-09-2002 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, missed that one. "C" or "R" with a double lip seal. Both work well. We have found (JPT and me) no benefit using aftermarket servos. JPT discontinued producing his own as the cost did not justify the gain.

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Alex Denysenko
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Kyle
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posted 10-10-2002 01:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kyle   Click Here to Email Kyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are there any good books I can get that are going to break down the internals of a C4 so I can learn all the parts? I need to start somewhere...

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Just Strokin
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posted 10-10-2002 07:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Just Strokin   Click Here to Email Just Strokin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kyly, I just sent you an email with a pic attached of the C4. It is an exploded view of the tranny. The email will be about 87k in size.

My suggestion is to go to www.bulkparts.com and order one of the C4/C5 manual for about 15.00. They also have rebuild kits with the red clutchs and kolene steels. They use to carry the kevlar relined bands.

Alex, Do you feel the flex band is better than the rigid band?

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-10-2002 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Careful using the Kolene steels. (drilled swiss cheese and coated)
We have found the coating to cause slippage in high RPM applications (7000+). We use them, but sand blast all of the coating off.
For years the hot lick was a rigid birch bark band. It still is in hot street or medium duty race applications. We found that with as hard and fast that we can make the band apply, it actually shocks the drum too hard. The kevlar flex band has just enough of a softer hit to help keep everthing in line. It's nice to have a trans dyno at your disposal to test and try parts. The real test is going down the track with 500+ HP or more applied.

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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator

NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Part time secret agent license #0089
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"

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