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Skeeter
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posted 09-30-2002 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Skeeter   Click Here to Email Skeeter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Howdy,
I am in the process of building a 418w. The kit is from Scat. The car is going to be a Sunday driver and taken to the track here and there. I would like to have a Solid flat tappet. I dont have the budget for a solid roller "Maybe down the road for that" Also I dont want to run a loose converter. Is there a cam that is good from 2500-6500?
Hear is what I have.

67 Mustang
2500 stall
4.30 gears
28x13 tires
Ladder bars with coil over's
69w block
10.5:1 c/r
Cast Dart senior heads. Stage 3 porting from Keith Craft.
Victor Jr. manifold
no carb yet
6208 headers

Thanks for the help,
Jason

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mustangzrule
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posted 10-01-2002 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangzrule   Click Here to Email mustangzrule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 408W with 10.6:1 stage 3 Perf RPMs likes the Perf RPM cam (224/234) with the C4, 2500 stall. No need for solid lifters, go with hydraulic for the maintenance factor. If you are worried about losing the performance sound of the solid lifter, your 400+ cubes will make up for that.

I would not go any higher than a 230/240 cam for a street car and your CID.

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mustangzrule
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posted 10-01-2002 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangzrule   Click Here to Email mustangzrule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yikes, I just noticed that you have 4.30 gear. Assume you are runnig a standard C4 tranny with 2.47 first gear? If so, you can cam a little higher than my post suggests. I would reccomend you limit your duration to 245 @ 050..

I am still running my 2.79 8" rear and the torque I have with my cam is impressive. You will need less torque with that diff.

PS I can smoke the tires in the first 2 gears even with the 2.79 and it spins both tires (275/60/15) even though I am listed as an "open" diff. Torque still applies to a cam this big when you have the cubes.

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Mpcoluv
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posted 10-01-2002 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you have any vacuum requirements?
Idle speed you wish to have?
The Isky Mega 280 with the 108LDA should work fine.
Also the new Comp Xtreme energy series
like the XE274 should work well also.

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Skeeter
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posted 10-01-2002 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Skeeter   Click Here to Email Skeeter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mustangzrule:
Yikes, I just noticed that you have 4.30 gear. Assume you are runnig a standard C4 tranny with 2.47 first gear? If so, you can cam a little higher than my post suggests. I would reccomend you limit your duration to 245 @ 050..

I am still running my 2.79 8" rear and the torque I have with my cam is impressive. You will need less torque with that diff.

PS I can smoke the tires in the first 2 gears even with the 2.79 and it spins both tires (275/60/15) even though I am listed as an "open" diff. Torque still applies to a cam this big when you have the cubes.



I have a C6. Not sure what the gearing is. I bought a Erson cam from Alex"Money Maker some time back. It's [email protected] I might be using that but was looking for any other sugestions.

Thanks

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Mpcoluv
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posted 10-01-2002 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Skeeter:

I have a C6. Not sure what the gearing is. I bought a Erson cam from Alex"Money Maker some time back. It's [email protected] I might be using that but was looking for any other sugestions.

Thanks


I thought Alex quit making cam recomendations
I would run the Erson then.
Alex seems to have a good track record....


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Mpcoluv
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posted 10-01-2002 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I re-read the first post...SOLID cams...
I have Juice cams on the brain....
The Erson would be streetable in a 418.
Would still make enough power for the strip providing you have adequate heads, tuning, etc.....

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Skeeter
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posted 10-02-2002 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Skeeter   Click Here to Email Skeeter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mustangzrule:
Yikes, I just noticed that you have 4.30 gear. Assume you are runnig a standard C4 tranny with 2.47 first gear? If so, you can cam a little higher than my post suggests. I would reccomend you limit your duration to 245 @ 050..

I am still running my 2.79 8" rear and the torque I have with my cam is impressive. You will need less torque with that diff.

PS I can smoke the tires in the first 2 gears even with the 2.79 and it spins both tires (275/60/15) even though I am listed as an "open" diff. Torque still applies to a cam this big when you have the cubes.


Have you ran your car at the track? What is it in?

Thanks,
Jason

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Skeeter
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posted 10-02-2002 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Skeeter   Click Here to Email Skeeter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I bought the cam from Alex to put in a 351w non stroker but then changed plans and went with the 418w. Just wondering if it will be a the choice cam to put in. I thinks it 292/544intake and 544 exhaust.

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mustangzrule
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posted 10-03-2002 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangzrule   Click Here to Email mustangzrule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Skeeter,
My car is a '68 coupe and I haven't gotten it to the track yet. Best estimates are about 12-13 sec on steet tires, maybe about 115 or so in the 1/4. I put a hole in my radiator recently (really stupid mistake) and haven't spent the coin to get it fixed.

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steve'66
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posted 10-03-2002 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Skeeter:
I bought the cam from Alex to put in a 351w non stroker but then changed plans and went with the 418w. Just wondering if it will be a the choice cam to put in. I thinks it 292/544intake and 544 exhaust.

This cam will work fine in your stroker.

SteveW

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Skeeter
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posted 10-04-2002 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Skeeter   Click Here to Email Skeeter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
This cam will work fine in your stroker.

SteveW


Steve,
I would like to go bigger but am not sure how big to go with my current specs. Any suggestions? I will be sticking to a flat tappet not a roller because its a bit to much $ at the moment for me.

Thanks,
Jason

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Mpcoluv
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posted 10-04-2002 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Skeeter:
Steve,
I would like to go bigger but am not sure how big to go with my current specs. Any suggestions? I will be sticking to a flat tappet not a roller because its a bit to much $ at the moment for me.

Thanks,
Jason


You will likely have to go to looser converter if you go much bigger.
Hey, you already have the cam, run it and change it later if it seems too mild.
It's much better to be sitting in traffic with too small a cam than too large.

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steve'66
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posted 10-04-2002 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Skeeter:
Steve,
I would like to go bigger but am not sure how big to go with my current specs. Any suggestions? I will be sticking to a flat tappet not a roller because its a bit to much $ at the moment for me.

Thanks,
Jason


Jason,

You will need a looser converter with the bigger cam. 3000 stall + should do the job, I'd go with a 3500-4000 stall and it will still be ok on the street. (Not a daily driver)

SteveW

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