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Andy Johnson
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From: Yukon, Ok USA
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posted 09-27-2002 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Andy Johnson   Click Here to Email Andy Johnson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jim Kuntz ran a 1968 302 in a S/S GT class years back in a 1982 Mustang. Do you remember how quick this combo went? I thought it set a national record at one time. Would this still be a competitive combination today? Please tell me as much as you can.

Thanks, Andy

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clevelandstyle
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From: Connersville, IN
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posted 09-27-2002 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clevelandstyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex is racing in Joliet, IL this weekend. Bring this question up next week so I can read the answer, too.

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kid vishus
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posted 09-27-2002 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I remember that car.

I think it was in the high 10's if I remember correctly, like 10.70's maybe .

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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 09-28-2002 07:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Entire story tomorrow when we are done at Rt. 66.

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Alex Denysenko
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Andy Johnson
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posted 09-28-2002 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Andy Johnson   Click Here to Email Andy Johnson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Alex, good luck

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Moneymaker
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posted 09-29-2002 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The car was an 82 Mustang GT that was purchased from Kip Martin. It was built from scratch as a SS/GT car with Kips old 64 Galaxie 352 automatic drive train. It was very fast until NHRA factored the 352. Kip sold it to Kuntz and went Comp racing with a FE powered A dragster.
Kuntz originally was going to put a 428 CJ in the car, but he was hot and heavy into SBF's and stroker/5.0 kits and engines so he went with a 289 "D" code combination like mine originally. That's when I got to know him around 1993. Him and Keith Craft were just starting to have differances and soon split up.
The car set several records in SSGT/K and L with long time Kuntz wheel man S.E. Buchannon at the controls. After exploring the classification guides and realizing that some how some way, NHRA had allowed a bogus 600 CFM Holley on the 68 "J" code 302 Mercury "only" combination and having so much 5.0 business, a 302 was a natural to have as a show case for his engine business.
Kuntz at that time had a little known young cylinder head guy working out of his shop that seemed to have a knack for porting. That guy's knick name was and still is "Lump", now known as Lump Cylinder Heads, aka Brian Self. Arguably the most respected cylinder head porter in drag racing today.
Well, a little massaging here, and there on the "J" code heads, Kuntz's short block and meticulous precision machine prowess, the then new Victor Jr. intake, and a big a$$ 4150 600 CFM carb created about 470 HP on the dyno. That was in 1995!!!!!!!!!!
The 302 was multi class capable in the 82 Mustang and held records in SSGT/ K, J, I, and H. A best of 10.17 at 130 MPH is what I recall. As rewards for their efforts, NHRA factored the 302 by ten HP thanks to Kuntz. (it has now since been reduced again) The engine was soon retired in favor of a Comp style 351 C with Yates heads for SS/BS and BM as S.E. Buchannon wanted to go faster. The car was then sold to a guy by the name of Les Bayre and he went on to make a name for himself with Kuntz power in the FFW/NMRA ranks.
So in answer to your question Andy, YES, it is a very viable and great combination. Especially now since the HP has been reduced and a couple of "little birdies" who just happen to be members of this forum, got the CORRECT piston blue prints to NHRA and the flat top piston that came with the 302 "J" is allowed in place of the erroneous dish piston that NHRA mandated. There are 2-3 of them being built as we speak.

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Alex Denysenko
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NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member
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From: Lakewood, CO, USA
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posted 09-30-2002 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work   Click Here to Email JCQuinn@work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting story Alex. How hard is it to find one of these carburetors and the right heads?

John

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Moneymaker
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posted 09-30-2002 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heads are no problem John. The carb is near extinction, but..........I just happen to know who has the original Kuntz Holley done by Brashears.

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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator

NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Part time secret agent license #0089
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"

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Andy Johnson
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From: Yukon, Ok USA
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posted 09-30-2002 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Andy Johnson   Click Here to Email Andy Johnson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex, appreciate the above information. I remember seeing the car twice in OKC, Ok. Once with the 302 and next time it had what I thought they said was a 317 Yates headed motor. Can I get your phone number as I would like to discuss this combo a little further.

Thanks, Andy

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Moneymaker
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posted 09-30-2002 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure Andy, it's 708-447-4912.

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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator

NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Part time secret agent license #0089
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"

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From: Lakewood, CO, USA
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posted 10-01-2002 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work   Click Here to Email JCQuinn@work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK Alex, I just have to ask. How much does the carb cost? Since I asked you can figure that I can't afford it. I am in the middle of house remodeling and all my cash is going there right now.

But if someone else doesn't buy it first I may take a shot at it later.

I am considering several engine options for an 85 coupe that I have sitting around. I think a GT class car would be a fun car for my son (16) to get his feet wet at the races.

John

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bfxcomet
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From: Port Alberni, B.C. , Canada
Registered: Mar 2001

posted 10-01-2002 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bfxcomet   Click Here to Email bfxcomet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm just starting to learn about diferent carbs Alex, so how is this carb 4150 600 different from other 600's.
Roger

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-01-2002 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
John, Kuntz paid Breshears over $1500 to do the carb. That did not cover the cost of the core which he had to purchase. I paid too much for it as I was going to do an SS/LA 68 Cougar, but I sold the car instead. (I got an offer I couldn't refuse) I need $1000 for it to lose a bunch.
Roger it basically a clone of the 600 CFM 66-67 4150 390 GT carb. The only problem is that I never saw one on anything but a 68 GT 350 Shelby, but NHRA now has it approved for not only the 68 Merc 302, but the 68 Mustang 302.

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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator

NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Part time secret agent license #0089
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"

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