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stroker man
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posted 09-22-2002 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stroker man   Click Here to Email stroker man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Mustangs and more, new to the site, have a 69mach1, 408W, specs new motorsports block,coast dominator stroker kit,7qt milodon oil pan,world sr heads cnc, lunati hy roller, 218 228, 536 536 112,1.6 rollers, stealth intake, 750 BIGS HP DP modified, 1\3\4 supercomps, msd6al,msd billet Dist, JPT roller c-4 reverse manual, 2500 11'' stall JPT also, 3''x-pipe into 2.50 2chamber flows into 2.50 ex, 3.50 posi 9'',need some hp figures on this motor and if i can do anything to inprove this, my car is street driven little strip, most of my driving is under 5000rpms,heads cam what ever thanks great site.

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clevelandstyle
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posted 09-22-2002 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clevelandstyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to the place to be.
Your question should be "How much TORQUE?"

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Moneymaker
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posted 09-22-2002 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to M&M !
I would guess at somewhere between 350 and 375 HP.

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steve'66
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posted 09-22-2002 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to M&M!

Comments:

Great heads, tiny cam, so-so intake, small carb, low stall converter.

You need more cam, vic jr intake, 850 carb, and at least 3500 stall. Then you'll run like a 408w should.

Right now under 400hp, should be 500 with the right parts.

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stroker man
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posted 09-23-2002 07:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stroker man   Click Here to Email stroker man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for the replies, hope your wrong, getting this thing dynoed this week, i been told by differant forums that im between 400 and 490 hp, but i will know soon, what cam is good for this engine, comp XE282HR, vic jr manifold will not fit under my stock hood without modifing it or change the hood, is 3500 stall to much for street car? maybe 3000 the most it will not move in traffic to much heat i think.thats why i have 2500 stall.thanks again

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Dave_C
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posted 09-23-2002 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by stroker man:
vic jr manifold will not fit under my stock hood without modifing it or change the hood,

The Vic Jr intake will fit under the stock hood if you use a drop base breather. Here is a link to a pic of the engine from my former 69 Mustang. It had a 383W stroker with a Vic Jr. intake. I used the 13" Ford Motorsport drop base breather and a 2.25" tall K&N element. I wasn't able to use a carb spacer, but it didn't hurt it. Also replaced the carb stud/wingnut with a bolt. The bolt head didn't stick up as much. It was tight, but workable.

Pic:
http://home.earthlink.net/~racrcole/_uimages/engine1.jpg

Later,
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stroker man
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posted 09-23-2002 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stroker man   Click Here to Email stroker man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dave C thanks for that, i'll look into that air cleaner, drop base, how did your car run with vic jr, also what was your car 4-speed or auto, what stall if auto. thinking of changing things around on my stroker, its fast the way it is, but i know i can build it up to more ford power, show those cheevies a thing or two GOT a good trans JPT C-4, ALL I NEED IS MORE BRUTE POWER, THANKS

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Moneymaker
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posted 09-23-2002 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't get you hopes up too high.

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Alex Denysenko
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stroker man
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posted 09-23-2002 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stroker man   Click Here to Email stroker man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mONKEYMAKER, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO TO MAKE THIS THING RUN, I READ A COUPLE OF STROKER ARTICLES SO I KNOW IM LOW ON POWER, THEY ALL USE AFR"S big rollers or solid vic jr, 850 holley, just as long as its streetable im happy.

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Moneymaker
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posted 09-23-2002 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
See where you are at right now first. Then we can talk.

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Alex Denysenko
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stroker man
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posted 09-23-2002 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stroker man   Click Here to Email stroker man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok, i'm getting this thing dynoed on tuesday, let you guys know how it comes out.

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Dave_C
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posted 09-23-2002 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by stroker man:
Dave C thanks for that, i'll look into that air cleaner, drop base, how did your car run with vic jr, also what was your car 4-speed or auto, what stall if auto. thinking of changing things around on my stroker, its fast the way it is, but i know i can build it up to more ford power, show those cheevies a thing or two GOT a good trans JPT C-4, ALL I NEED IS MORE BRUTE POWER, THANKS

Well, my car wasn't exactly a street car. It had the Vic Jr intake, ported Windsor Sr irons, solid roller cam, 950 HP carb. It was a bracket drag car. It was good for 6.80's @ 100 in the 1/8 mile. Had 5.43 gears, 5500 stall 8" converter. I had two trans in it. A C-6 when foot-brake sportsman racing and then went to a Powerglide w trans-brake/dealy box when I moved on to Super Pro.

I sold it a few weeks ago. Decided I wanted to go really fast for cheap (relative term) so I bought a rear engine dragster. I'm preparing a 557 BBF for it now.

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David Cole

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kid vishus
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posted 09-23-2002 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by stroker man:
, is 3500 stall to much for street car? maybe 3000 the most it will not move in traffic to much heat i think.thats why i have 2500 stall.thanks again

Not at all. I have used a 3500 convertor on the street with good success. It made driving the car alot of fun. Just make sure you have a good BIG cooler for just the trans. 2500 is too small in my opinion unless its basically a stock motor.

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steve'66
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posted 09-23-2002 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's the compression ratio?


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Moneymaker
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posted 09-23-2002 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Speaking of big *** trans coolers....

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Alex Denysenko
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Scott (69Mach)
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posted 09-23-2002 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott (69Mach)   Click Here to Email Scott (69Mach)     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ditto what Kid said. I have a 10 inch converter and it puts the engine right where it ought to be when I take off from the light (~3300). The sound reminds me a lot of the black Dodge that Clint Eastwood hitches a ride in in Thunderbolt and Lightfoot. RPMs hunt a little bit coming off slowly, but spin up when I need to get moving.

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TomP
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posted 09-23-2002 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmmm... lose the slushbox, i'd say. Those things are no damn good

As for maximum air cleaner clearance, use a *cough*cough* Corvette *cough*cough* base with a 3" tall element and NO lid, stick a strip of foam on top of the element to seal to flat hoods. The large distributor caps may not clear this.

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jsracingbbf
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posted 09-23-2002 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have no clue how much HP your running, but I have a feeling we will know shortly.
I just wanted to welcome you to the forum. good luck, no doubt these guys will have you where you want to be soon enough.

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 09-24-2002 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TomP:
hmmm... lose the slushbox, i'd say. Those things are no damn good

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!
YEAH, WHAT TOMP SAID!!!!

We've got a "bid" of 400 - 490 HP, does anyone care to venture a guess at what peak torgue 'stroker man' will get at the dyno????

Oh, yeah,,,,, Welcome to M&M, Stroker Man!!!!
There are a bunch of good folks here. You may not want to hear what they'll tell you but you can bet it'll be straight up - no BS!!! There are BB, SB, Auto, Stick guys here and they'll poke fun back n' forth, but the common thread between us all is that we all LUV TO THUMP THOSE CHUBBIES!!!!

Good Luck at the dyno & get back with us how it turned out!!

Ryan

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Mpcoluv
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posted 09-24-2002 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are we talking rear wheel HP?
You should be able to get 330 or more at the wheels provided you do a good job tuning.
I would dump the strealth for a Vic Jr or RPM airgap.
BTW a friend just dynoed (engine dyno) a 393 with 192cc Canfield heads, 9.5:1 compression a Hyd roller 224/232 with 108 LDA (dont remember lift), Sealed power gapless TOP rings, victor Jr, Barry grant 850 Speed demon, and made 505hp (at the flywheel) after 6-8 hrs of tuning.
BTW he has one of the performance distributors HEI setups on it with the little Knurled knob for timing adjustments.... very cool

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rockafellz
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posted 09-24-2002 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Stroker Man,

Can't wait to hear about your dyno day.

Welcome to M&M

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