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Dave_C
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From: Gadsden, Al
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posted 09-14-2002 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which intake do I need to get for my engine combo? The Victor 460 is about my only choice, but should I get the 4150 flange or the 4500 flange?

The engine is a 557 with Blue Thunder heads (chevy ex port) Heads flow 380/265. 2 1/8" headers. Cam is a solid roller .770 lift, 275/280 @ .050 110 lobe. Compression is a little over 12.5:1. Shift rpm will be around 67-6800 in an 1850 lb dragster with a powerglide, 4.10 gears and 33" tires.

Fuel system will be a Ron's Flying Toilet. I will prob run a 2" spacer between the toilet and intake. They have three sizes: 3.75" FLOWS 1240 CFM 4.00" FLOWS 1435 cfm. 4.10" FLOWS 1800 CFM

So, which intake and which size toilet?

Thanks,
David Cole

This is the engine that I asked for opinions on the other day in this thread:
https://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/003429.html

Everything checked out, all paperwork in order. I also called and spoke with the company that did the shortblock. SO..........I bought it.

I am now the owner of a 557 CI Big Block Ford!

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kid vishus
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posted 09-14-2002 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The best way to get a toilet that fits your application is to call Ron's and tell him what you are running. They will decide which size is best. And I cant imagine they wouldn't recommend the 4.10. A buddy is using two 4 incher's on a sheetmetal intake on a 540 BBC. Plus another buddy is using a single 4" on a 377 cleveland.

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jsracingbbf
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posted 09-15-2002 03:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dave, I know guys at the track have less problems with the Terminator one. I don't know for sure. I know i like the HAT 300% better than the toliet I used to run. It just is smoother, easier to deal with. If it was me and I was trying out throttle body type injections. I'd give the folks at Force EFI a call and get a set of fuel rails made and run a speed pro box on one of their Throttle bodies. Just a thought.
www.force-efi.com

Jerry

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kid vishus
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posted 09-15-2002 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Toilets are strange things. It seems some guys bolt them on and have no problems with them ever. And other guys bolt them on and fight with them all the time.

My buddy with the 377 cleveland bolted his on, and without ever touching anything on it, picked up 3 tenths in the 1/8. And got to the finals in Top the first night he used it. I dont think he has hardly touched it to this day.

I do know one thing, if I was to buy a new induction set up, it would be a flying toilet. I would like to, but I just cant afford it right now.

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Dave_C
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posted 09-15-2002 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jsracingbbf:
I'd give the folks at Force EFI a call and get a set of fuel rails made and run a speed pro box on one of their Throttle bodies. Just a thought.
www.force-efi.com
Jerry

Thanks guys,

Jerry, I have seen the terminators. What adavantage to they have over the toilet? Most guys around here run the single toilet. I took a look at the force efi site. I looked like everything they do is gas/street. Do they do anything with alcohol?

Later,
David Cole

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jsracingbbf
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posted 09-15-2002 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look at that manifold they are doing for the BBf it is alky set-up ( at the force site) EFI costs more to begin with but I see alot of bracket guys going to it. You then tune your fuel curve with a laptop. It is VERY streetable and GREAT for brackets. tune it then don't touch it. if you need to go fat or lean you do it by pluggin a laptop in to it. Program is EZ. You have fuel curves built in to it. Several diff. types Batch fire, Bank fire and the best is sequential fire which uses a trigger from crank or MSD set up. I do NOT know why the four hole terminator works better, but I've heard guys that say IT is the way to go. Maybe some one else can answer that for you. I ran a toliet for 3 years and it was ok, but it is on the low end of injections as far as injections go. Darrel Saucier a friend of mine in Indy sells DSR manual pumps and he sees alot of mechanical fuel inj. He says it is something about the way they do the barrel valve. I personally can't say anything bad about Ron's stuff but I won't ever run one again. Hilborn and Enderle are just way better. Sometimes cheaper isn't always better.

Jerry

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jsracingbbf
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posted 09-15-2002 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bottom of this page. I called them and the only thing keeping me from doing the hat this way is $$$$. or the lack of it. I think what I am going to do is buy pieces to eventually swap, do the tunnel ram last. You know get the brain/ cpu, then buy the fuel rails, pump, injectors, etc..etc..
www.force-efi.com/machefi.htm

Jerry

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