Brought to you in part by:

Great deals on auto restoration supplies!

.


  Mustangsandmore Forums
  Ford Racing
  Super stock or stocker classes?

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
profile | register | preferences | faq | search

next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   Super stock or stocker classes?
70coupe
Gearhead

Posts: 483
From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada
Registered: Aug 2000

posted 09-02-2002 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70coupe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just wanted some info on the stocker classes. I think that would be a great class to run in. What are the major requirements. I'm not very familiar with the class but I have watched alot of it.

IP: Logged

Moneymaker
Administrator

Posts: 27499
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99

posted 09-02-2002 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
S/SS must requirements:
1) Complete dedication
2) Lots of smarts
3) Lots of money
4) Pick a car that will work competitively in a class
5) Thick skin

------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator

NHRA/IHRA/SRA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Part time secret agent license #0089
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

[This message has been edited by Moneymaker (edited 09-02-2002).]

IP: Logged

70coupe
Gearhead

Posts: 483
From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada
Registered: Aug 2000

posted 09-02-2002 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70coupe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sooo what am I missing?
I've seen cars in the class running as slow as 12.40's, whats the deal?

IP: Logged

70coupe
Gearhead

Posts: 483
From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada
Registered: Aug 2000

posted 09-02-2002 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70coupe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure edit your post while I'm still posting.
I get it now!

IP: Logged

Moneymaker
Administrator

Posts: 27499
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99

posted 09-02-2002 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are classes where cars only run in the 18 second zone. That does not make it easy.
Look here for some classification info.

http://nhra.com/tech_specs/classification/

------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator

NHRA/IHRA/SRA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Part time secret agent license #0089
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

IP: Logged

kid vishus
Gearhead

Posts: 6590
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000

posted 09-02-2002 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had thought about it too, but that was a short lived idea. About the time I started to realize the amounts of money it took, and saw what some of the indexes were, I quickly decided I couldnt afford it. Plus after I started reading how strict the motor requirements were, I decided it wasnt for me.

IP: Logged

steve'66
Gearhead

Posts: 9533
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 09-02-2002 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's for sure!

Do you want to spend big bucks to run an iron headed stocker? If you can afford it then by all means go for it, otherwise if you wanna be in the National events try SuperStreet and run 10.90.

SteveW

IP: Logged

Moneymaker
Administrator

Posts: 27499
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99

posted 09-02-2002 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pick a car and engine combination and I'll tell you what class it will run in stock or superstock and what it will take to make it run the index. Not under, just meet it.

------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator

NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Part time secret agent license #0089
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."

IP: Logged

70coupe
Gearhead

Posts: 483
From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada
Registered: Aug 2000

posted 09-02-2002 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70coupe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well,if I were to try one of those classes,I would probably remove the motor from my 1970 Mustang coupe and set it up for a stocker. Does the motor have to be the original motor with the car which would be a 302 or could I retain a stock 351 cleveland from 1970?

IP: Logged

Moneymaker
Administrator

Posts: 27499
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99

posted 09-02-2002 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any engine that was available in a 1970 Mustang is allowed. From a 200 six to a 428 SCJ.

------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator

NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Part time secret agent license #0089
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."

IP: Logged

Rory McNeil
Gearhead

Posts: 1687
From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 09-03-2002 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unfortunatly, due to Fords often optimisticly high HP ratings, & the fact that the vast majority of their engines were equipped with 2 barrel carbs, & less than ideal cylinder heads, the number of competetive Ford combinations are MUCH lower than the GM & MoPar racers.There ARE several Ford combo`s that very good, but many more that are not. As for the 351C`s, although the 71-73 versions are quite competitive, I can`t say that I`ve seen any strong 70 versions. The 70 4V engine has a smaller cam than the later versions, & is also stuck with the Autolite 4300 carb, while the 71-73`s can use the "optional" 780 Holley/ aluminum intake, as well as enjoying lower HP ratings. Back in the late 70`s-early 80`s, a friend ran in G/SA with a 70 Mach 1 with a 351C 4V, & it never worked out all that well.

------------------
78 Fairmont 428 4 speed [email protected]
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed [email protected]
85 Mustang NHRA Stocker under construction, 302 5 speed

IP: Logged

Moneymaker
Administrator

Posts: 27499
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99

posted 09-03-2002 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vern Buchannon uses the 4300 Autolite on his 351C rather successfully.

------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator

NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Part time secret agent license #0089
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."

IP: Logged

svt522
Gearhead

Posts: 132
From: Magnolia, Delaware
Registered: Jul 2001

posted 09-03-2002 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for svt522   Click Here to Email svt522     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex, I've got a '73 Mach1 with the "Q" code 351C in it. What class would it run in? What would be a good starting combo such as gear, stall, header size, and cam duration. What's a competitive ET? Thanks!

------------------
svt522
1996 SVT Cobra (#522)
1967 F100 w/85 Roller Cam 5.0, 5-Speed, 4.11 Detroit Locker
1973 "Q" Code Mach1, 3/4 Vinyl Top, Fold-Down Rear Seat, A/C

IP: Logged

Moneymaker
Administrator

Posts: 27499
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99

posted 09-03-2002 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It would fall in to "H" or "I" stock. Those are two of the most competitive classes there are. The under rated 305 chebbies dominate both classes followed by 360 Mopig Aspens and Volares which are also smog motors that are under rated by NHRA.
There are quite a few guys that run 73 Mustangs competitively though.
You will need to run in the high elevens in "I" and mid elevens in "H" just to show up in NHRA. Two tenths slower will keep you afloat in IHRA. The bad asses can run 11.20's in "I" and 11 teens in "H"!
1.875 headers, a JPT low gear C-4 with 5500 or so converter, and 5.14 to 5.43 gears would get you in the ball park. Sorry, but I don't do cams on this forum anymore.

------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator

NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Part time secret agent license #0089
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Quote: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."

[This message has been edited by Moneymaker (edited 09-03-2002).]

IP: Logged

svt522
Gearhead

Posts: 132
From: Magnolia, Delaware
Registered: Jul 2001

posted 09-03-2002 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for svt522   Click Here to Email svt522     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex, Thanks for the reply! Are there any tricks to getting the stock spreadbore carb to perform? Do I need to get a rule book for all the applicable engine specs?

------------------

1996 SVT Cobra (#522)
1967 F100 w/85 Roller Cam 5.0, 5-Speed, 4.11 Detroit Locker
1973 "Q" Code Mach1, 3/4 Vinyl Top, Fold-Down Rear Seat, A/C

[This message has been edited by svt522 (edited 09-03-2002).]

IP: Logged

All times are ET (US)

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | Mustangsandmore Front Page

Copyright 2005, Steve LaRiviere. All Rights Reserved.


Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.47d

Amazon Honor System Click Here to Pay Learn More

[Build a free Mustangsandmore.ws Home Page!]

[Posting Pictures]

[About M&M][Acronyms][Calendar][Chat][Classifieds] [Members' Pics]

[M&M Conventions] [M&M Mug Shots]

[ Mustangsandmore.com Bookstore] [ Smokin' Fords] [Tech Articles]