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Topic: Super stock or stocker classes?
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70coupe
Gearhead Posts: 483
From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 09-02-2002 07:00 PM
  
Just wanted some info on the stocker classes. I think that would be a great class to run in. What are the major requirements. I'm not very familiar with the class but I have watched alot of it.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 27499
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 09-02-2002 07:10 PM
S/SS must requirements:
1) Complete dedication
2) Lots of smarts
3) Lots of money
4) Pick a car that will work competitively in a class
5) Thick skin
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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member
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The Barry of BarrysGrrl [This message has been edited by Moneymaker (edited 09-02-2002).]
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70coupe
Gearhead Posts: 483
From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 09-02-2002 07:14 PM
Sooo what am I missing?
I've seen cars in the class running as slow as 12.40's, whats the deal?
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70coupe
Gearhead Posts: 483
From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 09-02-2002 07:15 PM
Sure edit your post while I'm still posting.
I get it now!
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 27499
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 09-02-2002 07:16 PM
There are classes where cars only run in the 18 second zone. That does not make it easy.
Look here for some classification info.http://nhra.com/tech_specs/classification/
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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6590
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 09-02-2002 09:23 PM
I had thought about it too, but that was a short lived idea. About the time I started to realize the amounts of money it took, and saw what some of the indexes were, I quickly decided I couldnt afford it. Plus after I started reading how strict the motor requirements were, I decided it wasnt for me.
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 9533
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 09-02-2002 09:39 PM
That's for sure!Do you want to spend big bucks to run an iron headed stocker? If you can afford it then by all means go for it, otherwise if you wanna be in the National events try SuperStreet and run 10.90. SteveW
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 27499
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 09-02-2002 09:55 PM
Pick a car and engine combination and I'll tell you what class it will run in stock or superstock and what it will take to make it run the index. Not under, just meet it. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
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The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
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70coupe
Gearhead Posts: 483
From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 09-02-2002 10:35 PM
Well,if I were to try one of those classes,I would probably remove the motor from my 1970 Mustang coupe and set it up for a stocker. Does the motor have to be the original motor with the car which would be a 302 or could I retain a stock 351 cleveland from 1970?
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 27499
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 09-02-2002 10:37 PM
Any engine that was available in a 1970 Mustang is allowed. From a 200 six to a 428 SCJ. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
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Part time secret agent license #0089
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Rory McNeil
Gearhead Posts: 1687
From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 09-03-2002 02:42 AM
Unfortunatly, due to Fords often optimisticly high HP ratings, & the fact that the vast majority of their engines were equipped with 2 barrel carbs, & less than ideal cylinder heads, the number of competetive Ford combinations are MUCH lower than the GM & MoPar racers.There ARE several Ford combo`s that very good, but many more that are not. As for the 351C`s, although the 71-73 versions are quite competitive, I can`t say that I`ve seen any strong 70 versions. The 70 4V engine has a smaller cam than the later versions, & is also stuck with the Autolite 4300 carb, while the 71-73`s can use the "optional"  780 Holley/ aluminum intake, as well as enjoying lower HP ratings. Back in the late 70`s-early 80`s, a friend ran in G/SA with a 70 Mach 1 with a 351C 4V, & it never worked out all that well.------------------
78 Fairmont 428 4 speed 10.20@130mph
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed 12.8@105mph
85 Mustang NHRA Stocker under construction, 302 5 speed
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 27499
From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 09-03-2002 09:21 AM
Vern Buchannon uses the 4300 Autolite on his 351C rather successfully. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
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Part time secret agent license #0089
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The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
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svt522
Gearhead Posts: 132
From: Magnolia, Delaware
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 09-03-2002 07:05 PM
Alex, I've got a '73 Mach1 with the "Q" code 351C in it. What class would it run in? What would be a good starting combo such as gear, stall, header size, and cam duration. What's a competitive ET? Thanks!------------------
svt522
1996 SVT Cobra (#522)
1967 F100 w/85 Roller Cam 5.0, 5-Speed, 4.11 Detroit Locker
1973 "Q" Code Mach1, 3/4 Vinyl Top, Fold-Down Rear Seat, A/C
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 27499
From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 09-03-2002 07:23 PM
It would fall in to "H" or "I" stock. Those are two of the most competitive classes there are. The under rated 305 chebbies dominate both classes followed by 360 Mopig Aspens and Volares which are also smog motors that are under rated by NHRA.
There are quite a few guys that run 73 Mustangs competitively though.
You will need to run in the high elevens in "I" and mid elevens in "H" just to show up in NHRA. Two tenths slower will keep you afloat in IHRA. The bad asses can run 11.20's in "I" and 11 teens in "H"! 
1.875 headers, a JPT low gear C-4 with 5500 or so converter, and 5.14 to 5.43 gears would get you in the ball park. Sorry, but I don't do cams on this forum anymore. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA/MCA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Part time secret agent license #0089
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked." [This message has been edited by Moneymaker (edited 09-03-2002).]
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svt522
Gearhead Posts: 132
From: Magnolia, Delaware
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 09-03-2002 10:06 PM
Alex, Thanks for the reply! Are there any tricks to getting the stock spreadbore carb to perform? Do I need to get a rule book for all the applicable engine specs?------------------ 1996 SVT Cobra (#522)
1967 F100 w/85 Roller Cam 5.0, 5-Speed, 4.11 Detroit Locker
1973 "Q" Code Mach1, 3/4 Vinyl Top, Fold-Down Rear Seat, A/C [This message has been edited by svt522 (edited 09-03-2002).]
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