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stang106
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From: God's Country!... Port Alberni B.C. Canada
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posted 08-14-2002 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, my 351W has been sleeved, new piston and all new rings now at 0.021 The car has developed a miss, severe at times and I don't know if it is the Crane conversion ignition or something else. The plugs are all black, and I suspect that oil is being sucked in from the lifter gallery. I want to run the car at the Port Alberni drags on Sat and Sun so I don't have a lot of time to make major changes. Could a different plug help in the meantime? I am running NGK UR6-4079. Also what plug gap should I run? The thermostat is 160.
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Dave

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stang106
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posted 08-14-2002 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way, Dumb question, but how do you know for sure that black on a sparkplug is oil and not a too rich condition? I have a Holley 750 with 72 primarys.
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posted 08-14-2002 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JCQuinn@work   Click Here to Email JCQuinn@work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look at your exhaust. If it is blue you are burning oil. If it is black you are way rich. If it is burning white you have a coolant leak.

Simple answers from simple minds.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 08-14-2002 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You should run .035" for a gap. Fuel will be dry and sooty, oil is slimey.

By the way, why are you running so much ring gap?

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stang106
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posted 08-15-2002 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Funny Steve!
I showed the plugs to a mechanic who used to race and tune other people's cars and he took one glance and said its running rich. I gapped all plugs at 0.034" , checked all leads and plugs with my OHM meter, and I still have a miss. If no ideas from here I'll turn the car over to Al, who I mentioned earlier. BTW, he just sold his '68 Stang fastback big block four speed.
Dave

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 08-15-2002 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by stang106:
Funny Steve!


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stang106
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posted 08-16-2002 03:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve,
I can take a joke, It was a good but expen sive learning experience. For those who don't know, I gapped my top two rings to Ford specs (0.016 - 0.018") on my Hyperutectic FM pistons, after it warmed up and I was spinning around 5500 RPM the top ring on #8 butted and pulled part of the piston off, the piston came up and slammed the piece into the head and cocked the piston through the cylinder wall. I'm now back up and running and after chasing down vacuume leaks the car is scary fast! I'll be racing Roger at the Port Alberni Drags on Sunday.
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 08-16-2002 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't know that's what happened. Sorry.

Hypers are that sensitive to ring gap? I thought they were supposed to have superior expansive qualities?

Man, the more I hear about them, the more I don't like them.

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stang106
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posted 08-17-2002 02:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't like them now, either. I should have used a set of JE forged.
dave

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Hemikiller
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posted 08-17-2002 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemikiller   Click Here to Email Hemikiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hypereutectics keep alot of the combustion heat in the chamber, and out of the piston. They are sensitive to ring gap only, which you must set to the specs which accompany your pistons. Nothing scary or odd, as all piston manufacturers recommend different endgaps and piston clearances depending on the intended use of the motor.

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