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Topic: Rocker arm geometry
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V8 Thumper Gearhead Posts: 4681 From: Phoenix, Arizona Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 06-26-2002 08:08 AM
...should be checked with zero lash, correct?
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jkilroy Gearhead Posts: 1808 From: Vicksburg, MS Registered: Dec 99
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posted 06-26-2002 10:28 AM
Are you talking about juice cams or solids? Solids I check with zero lash and then back them off. Juice sticks need to be properly preloaded and then checked. They you drive it.------------------ Jay Kilroy 68' Fastback GT 390 "No such thing as a cam thats too big"
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66bluefb Gearhead Posts: 521 From: Okla.City,Okla. Registered: May 2002
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posted 06-26-2002 02:38 PM
V8 Thumper,I`m getting ready to put my H/S roller rockers on when I get my harden push rods from Summit.What do you mean by zero lash? Thanks,Tony
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V8 Thumper Gearhead Posts: 4681 From: Phoenix, Arizona Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 06-26-2002 06:59 PM
No guys, not rocker arm adjustment, but geometry (determining pushrod length). Solid cam, of course Lash is the clearance between the valve stem and the rocker arm tip, with zero being, well, zero
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bluestreek Gearhead Posts: 1724 From: Athens,GA Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 06-27-2002 01:47 AM
Start with the lifter on the flat of the cam lobe with zero lash. For perfect geometry, the roller tip should sit on the valve tip about 1/32-1/16" from center, toward the stud side, and should only travel about 1/16-1/8" across the center of the valve tip at full lift. If there is too much roller travel, or the roller gets too close to the edge, the valve train and guides will catch hell!![This message has been edited by bluestreek (edited 06-27-2002).]
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V8 Thumper Gearhead Posts: 4681 From: Phoenix, Arizona Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 06-27-2002 07:44 AM
Thank you How's your motor comming? With your roller, have you determined just how much longer they need to be? Trick Flow says +.450 for my solid flat cam, but I'm not going to rely on that number. Maybe as a starting point with my length checker; I've changed too many paramaters to just order a set without doing a full-blown geometry mock-up first. Have you had any dealings with Trick Flow tech support? I wasn't real impressed
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bluestreek Gearhead Posts: 1724 From: Athens,GA Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 06-27-2002 12:06 PM
Your right. Trick Flow tech is kinda slow but you can also call Summit tech, since they own TFS.I had a delay on my 331 because they had to order some metric rings for my forged pistons. The rings are in and the assy is getting clearanced and balanced as we speak. The guy I bought my used TFS heads from included a set Trick flow 7.350 (.080 wall) pushrods that he used on a solid tappet cam. The heads were used for about 5000 miles and the guides still checked out great! I'm gonna do a mock check on the heads to see if I can use them with the roller lifters. Spend as much time and money as needed to get the valvetrain right. It will payoff BIGTIME in the long run. Did you decide to use a windage tray or main girdle?
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V8 Thumper Gearhead Posts: 4681 From: Phoenix, Arizona Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 06-28-2002 09:28 AM
Tray yes (FMS-Boss 302), girdle no (Mexican block )Depending on, well, a whole bunch... let me know how those pushrods mock up with your roller. I don't think they'll work (too long) and if I haven't already aquired a set, I'd be happy to take those off your hands [This message has been edited by V8 Thumper (edited 06-28-2002).]
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n2oMike Gearhead Posts: 2831 From: Spencer, WV Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 06-28-2002 09:51 AM
Rocker Geometry...The roller on the rocker arm should be centered side to side. If it's off too far, the guide plate may need to be cut in half to center each rocker on the valve tips. Often, one can get by with elongating their mounting holes to allow the plate to slide side to side. At times, flipping the guide plate over even helps. As for back and forth motion... The roller should be centered on the valve tip, and should have no more than 0.080" sweep as the cam goes through it's lift cycle. hydraulic lifters don't work well for this due to their compressability w/o oil pressure To do this test, a solid lifter will need to be acquired (or fabricated). you can take the guts out of an old hydraulic lifter and fill it solid with epoxy or something As an alternative... One of those soft 'checking springs' can be substituted for the regular valve spring, and will often keep a hydraulic lifter's plunger from depressing too much during this checking process. Vary pushrod length until the roller is centered, and sweep is under control. If pushrod length can't get the geometry where it needs to be, you'll have to try different rocker arms. they vary from brand to brand The earliest Trick Flow TW heads were designed around a CHEVY rocker arm, which is a little shorter from the fulcrum to the tip. Some manufactures will recommend certain brands of rockers. To give you an idea how much 0.080" is, 1/16" of an inch is 0.062". The top of the valve stem can be colored with a marker, and the movement can be recorded by where the marker ink gets rubbed out. Good Luck! ------------------ Mike Burch 66 mustang real street 302 4-speed 289 heads 10.63 @ 129.3 http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367 http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220 [This message has been edited by n2oMike (edited 06-28-2002).]
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