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Buster
Gearhead

Posts: 1821
From: Hurricane alley
Registered: May 2002

posted 06-19-2002 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster        Reply w/Quote
I am using the Victor Jr. intake now and was thinking about changing to the Super Victor. Should I make the change?

CR13.5:1
351W 4.000 X 3.50 2 bolt SVO Sportsman Block.
Victor Jr. heads the flow is around 300 intake and 212 (+-) exhaust
Victor Jr. intake
850 Holley
Hooker Super Comp Headers 1
C4 5500 stall with a trans brake
125 HP NOS
9 rear with 4.11:1 gears

Cam specs (I know, too small)refer to post "What am I doing wrong?" lol.

Intake .605
Exhaust .608

DURATION @ .050

Intake 242
Exhaust 252

cut on a 112 CL

Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99

posted 06-19-2002 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker        Reply w/Quote
NOt enough cam or gear.

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Alex Denysenko
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Buster
Gearhead

Posts: 1821
From: Hurricane alley
Registered: May 2002

posted 06-20-2002 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster        Reply w/Quote
Thanks MM for rubbing it in, lol. btw, I do have 3 sets of gears up to 4.88:1, but still no valve clearance.

I was thinking about getting the cutters you were talking about.

Would it be worth it to cut a stock W head and use it to cut the pistons? Just so there are 4 bolts to R&R...

That is if the stock head valve placement is the same as the Victor JR. From what I have read I think it is...?

Also, does anyone know what is the most flow you can get out of a Victor Jr. head? Intake & Exhaust @ .650" to .700" lift

[This message has been edited by Buster (edited 06-20-2002).]

Moneymaker
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posted 06-20-2002 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker        Reply w/Quote
To cut the pistons with the Isky tools, all you need a any junk Windsor head. The valve spacing is all the same. I only use 4 bolts to hold the head on when using them with no gasket.

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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator

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Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Buster
Gearhead

Posts: 1821
From: Hurricane alley
Registered: May 2002

posted 06-21-2002 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster        Reply w/Quote
OK, I am ordering the cutters today and talked to Comp Cams. Here is the cam they suggest:

278/286 @ 050
696" 683"
110 CL

The reason for the 110 CL is the 125 shot of NOS...

[This message has been edited by Buster (edited 06-21-2002).]

Buster
Gearhead

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From: Hurricane alley
Registered: May 2002

posted 06-22-2002 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster        Reply w/Quote
MM cam & intake advice... lol.

MattN
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Posts: 69
From: Mattoon, IL.
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 06-22-2002 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MattN        Reply w/Quote
When I used the Isky tool, it was so thick that I could not put the head on with the piston at TDC. If I tried to cut with the piston down the hole, it would not cut where it needed to cut. I had an old junk head that I cut on a band saw and torched the combustion chamber until the cutter would fit into the head. This allowed a piece of the head to bolt down with the piston a TDC and the cutter to contact the piston where it needed to for clearance. I didn't need deeper, I needed a larger diameter. It did a nice job once I got all of that figured out. Hope you have better luck.

Buster
Gearhead

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From: Hurricane alley
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posted 06-22-2002 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster        Reply w/Quote
WoW, sounds like my luck... I don't mind doing all of that, it's better then taking the engine apart.

I can get an old head and do all of that to it...still an easier, I think, lol.

btw, thanks for the heads up.

Buster
Gearhead

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From: Hurricane alley
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posted 06-22-2002 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster        Reply w/Quote
another btw, If I took a dye grinder to the seats, would that work as well?

MattN
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From: Mattoon, IL.
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 06-22-2002 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MattN        Reply w/Quote
I had to remove a lot of material to get the cutter up into the head. A cutoff wheel might work ok and be a little neater. I cut for 1.94 valves in TRW 2446 pistons. The valves would touch just above the valve relief. If the head was not down on the block and the piston was not at TDC it would cut below the relief. I double checked with ISKY about the size of the cutter and they said a 2" was what I needed. Anyway, I got it done. You might ask Alex to see how he does it.

n2oMike
Gearhead

Posts: 3058
From: Spencer, WV
Registered: Jan 2001

posted 06-23-2002 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike        Reply w/Quote
I've had problems getting plain ole' cheapo TRW flattops to clear 1.94"/1.60" valves in stock heads. The valve reliefs are generally deep enough, just not not wide enough for the larger valves.

I just used a die grinder with a well lubed, wide fluted 'aluminum' carbide burr on slow speed to widen them out until they cleared.

It might not be as 'pretty' as a custom tool, but just as effective.

Good Luck!

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
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http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220

Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99

posted 06-23-2002 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker        Reply w/Quote
I have a late model 351 large chamber head that we die ground the crap out of. It is a junk head used specificly for this purpose. Mike is right about the TRW pistons. The valve reliefs are plenty deep, just not wide enough.

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Alex Denysenko
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Part time secret agent license #0089
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

Buster
Gearhead

Posts: 1821
From: Hurricane alley
Registered: May 2002

posted 06-24-2002 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster        Reply w/Quote
MM, tkx for correcting me on my *die grinding* spelling, lol.


Also, does anyone know what is the most flow you can get out of a Victor Jr. head? Intake & Exhaust @ around .700" lift

[This message has been edited by Buster (edited 06-24-2002).]

Moneymaker
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posted 06-24-2002 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker        Reply w/Quote
I have heard intake numbers in the 340-350 range spread around. I would not believe them personally. More like 300 on a well ported set with zero guide and a really nice short turn radius.

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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator

NHRA/IHRA/SRA member
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28
Part time secret agent license #0089
Professional Manwhore
The Barry of BarrysGrrl

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