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V8 Thumper
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posted 06-01-2002 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 331 rotating assembly showed up today
Scat cast crank and forged rods, forged JE pistons, Childs & Albert moly rings, Federal Mogul bearings, Ford Motorsport SFI balancer, Centerforce Dual Friction clutch... all prepped and balanced by Kuntz & Company

The block goes to the machine shop next week...

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clevelandstyle
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posted 06-01-2002 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for clevelandstyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by V8 Thumper:
... all prepped and balanced by Kuntz & Company


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bluestreek
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posted 06-01-2002 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I may be slow but I'm ahead of you!!
My 331 assy is balanced and the block was put in the shop Tuesday. My TFS heads have already been ported and assembled with the addition of new 1.60 and 2.05 Ferrea valves and competition valve job. And I just received my new Purple Angus Pro alum. rockers, ported and polished RPM Air-Gap intake, and BG 750 carb. 400+ N/A HP is just around the corner!!!

I can smell burning rubber already!!!

Sorry, new parts get me exited.

Dan

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65racecoupe
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posted 06-01-2002 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65racecoupe   Click Here to Email 65racecoupe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who is Kuntz and Company? Do they do crate engnies? Got a link?

What HP level you shooting for?


Also, a general question - would a 302 stroker 347 make more power than a 351W (351ci), given the same level cam, compression, heads, exhaust, intake, etc., or is a 347 just catching up to a 351W, giving each engine roughly the same power?

Basically, is a stroker from a smaller engine more powerful than a larger engine who's stock displacement is roughly as large as the stroker's? (hopefully you can understand what the heck I just said.)

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kid vishus
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posted 06-01-2002 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 65racecoupe:
Who is Kuntz and Company?

They are located in Arkansas. I'm not sure if they have a web site or not, but they are probably the best small block Ford shop in the country. They build Alex's motors, and they build motors for alot of the fastest 5.0 shoot out cars.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 06-01-2002 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bluestreek:
Sorry, new parts get me exited.

Dan


No need to appologize... I know the feeling

65racecoupe~ Kuntz & Co. is a precesion machine/balance shop in Arkansas. I don't know if they build 'crate motors', but they do build balls-to-the-wall race motors. No website that I'm aware of, but I do have a phone number if you're interested.

There's only about a million variables comparing internal combustion engines, but for the most part, displacement is, well, displacement. Cubic inches make torque, period. I'm building a 331 because I already had a bunch of goodies for an 8.2" deck (289-302) block, saving me a bundle. Structurally, a 351W is a better block for sure. Over 400 ci is no problem for the 351W, whereas 347 is really pushing it for a 302 (another reason why I'm going with a 331; easier on parts) For my n/a 375+ hp, 6500 rpm (mostly) street motor built with the above components, it won't break. I'm deliberately over-building this motor to handle much more than it will make for longevity, as well as providing for future 'options'

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the last dive
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posted 06-02-2002 06:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for the last dive     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bluestreek........do you have any flow figures of your heads,and what are the specs of your cam and what comp are you going to run?

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mellowyellow
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posted 06-02-2002 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And here I am detailing a 289 to put back in my 65 cv. Envious!! Those 331's sound awesome!

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bluestreek
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posted 06-02-2002 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by the last dive:
bluestreek........do you have any flow figures of your heads,and what are the specs of your cam and what comp are you going to run?

I can't give away all my secrets.
I'll just say that the heads are "tweaked" for peak flow at below .600 lift and flowed 255 int. and 190 exh. @ only .400 lift! The roller cam is 230/234 duration @ .050 lift and should net about .560 lift intake and .580 exhaust at full lift. Compression should be about 9.8:1 with 0" deck height. I've had a hard time keeping my self from building it more radical, but I'm sticking with the plan to build a 289/331 that has the power of a 4 brrl Cleveland and still have excellent street manners and dependability.

[This message has been edited by bluestreek (edited 06-02-2002).]

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67Coupster
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posted 06-02-2002 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 67Coupster   Click Here to Email 67Coupster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like 2 sweet strokers coming together. Cool!!!

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V8 Thumper
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posted 06-03-2002 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bluestreek:
My TFS heads have already been ported and assembled with the addition of new 1.60 and 2.05 Ferrea valves and competition valve job.
Dan

I bought the Track Heats... still debating on porting, though (brand new, as-cast zero milers) Maybe a bowl blend and gasket match, and g-match my RPM Airgap too... but that would be about it. I'm running (only) a 270S, .499/.499 net. Sounds like yours are breathin' deep

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bluestreek
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posted 06-03-2002 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

V8 Thumper,
The 270S would have been my second choice. The standard Twisted Wedge heads seem to peak out at around .550 lift on the intake side, and 600 on the exhaust, so a bigger cam is just overkill. Since we're both building similar engines, it sounds like a good time to compare a solid flat cam to a solid roller cam.
I used the cheaper KB-355 Hyper pistons ($220) in mine and had to flycut intake notches for the "rotated" valve of the TFS head. Everything else is pretty much the same as yours.

Do you plan on getting any dyno figures?

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Moneymaker
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posted 06-03-2002 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Way cool Todd! I'll take care of the yoke this week too!
Kuntz & Co. does it all if it is for a SBF or FE.Crate motor,reciprocating kit, complete and dynoed, you name it they do it. They do NOT do any 385 series stuff.
They do not have a website, nor do I think they ever will. They are so busy they are hard pressed to answer the phone, but they do. 870-246-2595 and ask for Larry or Jim Kuntz. Tell them that Alex or Tony sent you please.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 06-03-2002 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bluestreek:

V8 Thumper,
The 270S would have been my second choice. The standard Twisted Wedge heads seem to peak out at around .550 lift on the intake side, and 600 on the exhaust, so a bigger cam is just overkill.

The main reason I chose the 270S... recomendation by Moneymaker Racing I've heard the same about .550 being peak 'effecient' lift for those heads too.


quote:
Do you plan on getting any dyno figures?

Yes, but that's a long way off (I'm still at the machine shop , but I'm patient )... and it'll be chassis dynoed at that. Your motor sounds like a killer powerplant , I look forward to comparing notes

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V8 Thumper
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posted 06-04-2002 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Alex for the referral to Larry & Jim in the first place! Having 100% confidence in a shop (or any service company) is priceless

quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
They do NOT do any 385 series stuff.


Why is that? My Papa's 429 will be sad

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bluestreek
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posted 06-05-2002 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bad News!
My machinist "accidently" dropped an engine block on my box of pistons and mangled them.

Good News! He just happened to have a new set of JE Forged 331 flat tops that he will sell me for $100 and rebalance the assy, if I forgive him.

Oh well, looks like I'm gonna have forged pistons instead of Hypereuspastic!

He also had to ground out a nice chunk on each cylinder to clear the H-beam rods. I guess the H-beams require more clearance than I-beams. Now if I can just get CompCams to replace the rusty cam they sent me I'll be happy.

Dan

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V8 Thumper
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posted 06-05-2002 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bluestreek:
He also had to ground out a nice chunk on each cylinder to clear the H-beam rods. I guess the H-beams require more clearance than I-beams.


No kidding? I've got the same rods... time to get out the die grinder

quote:
Now if I can just get CompCams to replace the rusty cam they sent me I'll be happy.

Have they given a response/explaination? For what you pay for a solid roller, I'd think they'd be all over it. They don't respond to emails so don't waste your time; you may spend 10 minutes (or more) on hold, but calling the '800' number will get you answers.

Wow, that's one way to score some forged pistons! If you were to drop the block on the new ones, might hurt the block this time

I just picked up a cherry Mexican block... $200 I'm having it machined rather than the other one. Anyone need a '65 289 block?

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bluestreek
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posted 06-05-2002 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by V8 Thumper:


I just picked up a cherry Mexican block... $200 I'm having it machined rather than the other one. Anyone need a '65 289 block?

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I'm jealous!!

I just hope this old '69 302 block that I've been hording in the shop for 7 yrs will hold up under 400 HP. It came out of a '69 Falcon S/C that my wife and I had when we bought our house. I went ahead and purchased a CNC steel main girdle with the kit, but I haven't decided if a little 331 street/strip stroker really needs it. Could be good insurance, but they are heavy suckers!!

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V8 Thumper
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posted 06-06-2002 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was going to run a girdle, now I'll just run the main caps and be happy I think we're both being overly-cautious, but so what. Why build half a motor?

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