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capri man
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posted 05-28-2002 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
has anyone had any experience with pro-form roller rockers (same people that have the carb bodies). a roundy roundy friend of mine has had one break for the last 3 weeks. they are breaking right in the middle where the fulcrum point is. there is no signs of coil bind either.
thanks

have you ever noticed that it is always a friend with the problem?? hee hee

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jkilroy
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posted 05-28-2002 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy   Click Here to Email jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have never used the pro-forms however I have heard more than one person say they are to be avoided. Crane gold race rockers are to be avoided also.

Personally, in aluminum I like good old Harland Sharps, they are a great value. A personal friend of mine has been running the same set on a *hot* Pontiac 400 for nearly 20 years with nary a problem. The CompCams HiTech 15-5 Stainless rockers are very very nice, along with the Crowers, both of those are as good as you can get without investing in a shaft system.

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kid vishus
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posted 05-28-2002 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a firm believer that valvetrain parts is the wrong area to try and save money.

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Mpcoluv
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posted 05-28-2002 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kid vishus:
I am a firm believer that valvetrain parts is the wrong area to try and save money.

Spoken like a true Cleveland owner :0

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capri man
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posted 05-28-2002 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i am on the 4th year now with my ford motorsports ones with no probs. so far.

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mike r
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Daniel Jones
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posted 05-29-2002 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Jones   Click Here to Email Daniel Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
> Crane gold race rockers are to be avoided also.

Are you sure you don't mean the low cost Crane line? The Crane gold race
are their premium line, with several versions available. A number of
other rockers look suspiciously like Crane's gold race (the Lunati rockers
look identical, for instance).

>Personally, in aluminum I like good old Harland Sharps, they are a great
>value.

The latest Harland Sharps look a lot more like the Crane gold race than
the old flat top Harland Sharps.

>The CompCams HiTech 15-5 Stainless rockers are very very nice, along with
>the Crowers, both of those are as good as you can get without investing
>in a shaft system.

Yes.

Dan Jones

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Butch Jennings
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posted 05-29-2002 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Butch Jennings   Click Here to Email Butch Jennings     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I've used Crane's gold rockers for years and never had a problem with them. I've seen more than one set of Harland Sharps go away on FE motors.

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jkilroy
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posted 05-29-2002 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy   Click Here to Email jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have, as well as several friends, had more than one set of Crane "Gold Race Rocker" fail in spectacular fashion. I prefer steel Comp's or Crowers to any aluminum rocker.

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Jay Kilroy
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Larry Jennings
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posted 05-29-2002 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry Jennings   Click Here to Email Larry Jennings     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is odd Jay! I guess you set your stuff up different from mine. I have 3 sets of junk (new type) Sharps in my shop now and in the hood of 14 sets of Crane Golds running for years now on Ford, Mopar and Chevy motors in trucks, boats and cars. One set of these (junk?) Crane's is at 90,000 miles and counting on a 454 Chevy crew cab dually that tows a drag boat and has been treated poorly at best. Since the big block Chevy is the worst for valve train failure I figure that one speaks well of the product . On one of the race boats with a 780 and then some lift cam that turns 9000+ we had a set of stainless Comp's and we were killing valve springs every time out and my old crafty sprint car buddy talked me into trying aluminum rockers to dampen some of the valve train vibration transference and we have had much fewer failures as a result of that change so I'd say "this" just like so many other performance related opinions are a user friendly or unfriendly deal! I think of aluminum as a metal for race parts and stainless as a food preparation metal unless it's decorator bolts .

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kid vishus
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posted 05-29-2002 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like Crower stainless rockers. When I bought my car, it had Lunati aluminum roller rockers on the motor. It ran pretty good. I got a wild idea on week and decided to pull those and the 5/16" pushrods off and put my Crower rockers and 3/8" .065 wall pushrods on it. It picked up .05 in the 1/8. I feel thats quite a gain for a rocker arm and pushrod swap, but it did it. I feel the stainless rockers are far superior to aluminum rockers. But, that's just my opinion.

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Butch Jennings
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posted 05-29-2002 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Butch Jennings   Click Here to Email Butch Jennings     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Larry Jennings:
I think of aluminum as a metal for race parts and stainless as a food preparation metal unless it's decorator bolts .



LOL....is that like "Gas is for washin parts and Alcohol is for drinkin"?

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Butch
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Larry Jennings
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posted 05-29-2002 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry Jennings   Click Here to Email Larry Jennings     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kid! There is a guy that has a system that encapsulates the pushrod in a rocker adjustment stud and puts a mini rev kit on the pushrods. I think his name is Duciur or close to that. He claims some pretty heady horsepower gains with the system and I believe it will free up some power but not an efficient dollar per horse exchange since his system is kinda pricey so I'm yet to try it. Anyway his theory is when the slack in the loose pushrod is snapped into the ball cup center on lift a shock wave is sent through the whole single valve train and some power is used to overcome the anomaly. You might have touched on the same gain by using a bigger pushrod. JMO .

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bluestreek
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posted 05-29-2002 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I rebuilt a Honda 650, 2 cylinder, motorcycle engine once and it had pushrods in it that were as big as a cigar and huge steel roller rockers. I was amazed at the size and weight of everything in the valve train, but this 4 stroke engine could turn 12,000 rpms all day long!!! It had 60,000 miles on it when it spun a bearing. Don't waste your money on cheap parts, unless you just like to gamble on something not breaking.

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jsracingbbf
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posted 05-31-2002 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I ran the big Lunati 3/8th Pushrods in my clevland with OLD Harland Sharp aluminum rockers for 8 years. I had over 780 passes on one motor. I run the same Roller rockers on my BBF with Comp Cams 1 piece 3/8th pushrods now. I've never had a rockerarm fail. I've chewed up a couple of pushrods but not one harland sharp has give me trouble.
Jerry

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Larry Jennings
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posted 05-31-2002 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry Jennings   Click Here to Email Larry Jennings     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Butcher had an old set of Sharp's on his FE and they never showed a sign of wear, they are probably out there somewhere still goin strong. I liked them so much I used Sharps on the next three FE's and those are the three sets in my shop now . They look like the shaft hole was drilled on an angle and all the tips have slop (bout a 1/16") on one side only after around 3000 miles. Now I'm tryin to figure out what can be made from 48 old sloppy roller rockers that'd be fun or cool .

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