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kid vishus
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posted 04-29-2002 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I took that Active intake off and put my old reliable strip dominator back on. I also added my trusty 2" spacer to it. After I got the Aussie intake off I started measuring the plenum area (roughly) of the two intakes. Although the Active is much taller, the plenum area is alot shallower and non near as wide either.

I then started to pull some plugs, they were ran in the car last year, so they were already "colored" up. BUT, 2 weeks ago, on the car's one day out this year, it seemed to run warmer than normal, and the tips of the electrode (the part in the porcelian) are shiny almost like they might have started to melt. Is it possible that the smaller plenum area leaned the motor out? It did run faster with more timing though, so I'm confused.

I will have new plugs in it for this weekend.

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steve'66
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posted 04-29-2002 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by kid vishus:
I will have new plugs in it for this weekend.

It's nice that you're gonna spring for a new set of plugs fer it. LOL I'm sure it'll love you and run much better this weekend.

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jkilroy
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posted 04-29-2002 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy   Click Here to Email jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It does sound like you are running lean, which may indicate that the intake is getting more air into the engine, all other things being equal. Did you try bumping the jets a couple sizes?

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kid vishus
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posted 04-30-2002 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never changed the jets. Last year the last few times I took the car out, in air very comparable to that weekends, it was actually on the fat side. I figured with the same heads and camshaft that it should have been ok. I will definately check the new plugs this week.

Steve, I already have bought the plugs, now I just need to find the ambition to change them. It's not a 20 minute job with this car. The valve covers have to come off to get to the center plugs.

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Dusty Kiser
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posted 04-30-2002 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dusty Kiser   Click Here to Email Dusty Kiser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jkilroy:
It does sound like you are running lean, which may indicate that the intake is getting more air into the engine, all other things being equal. Did you try bumping the jets a couple sizes?



Couldn't it also mean he lost some signal to the carb which caused it to lean out? Or perhaps bumping the timing was pushing it to the verge of detonation in high gear, but helped out of the hole. In the days of the dual point dist Jenkins, Nicholson and others used to install a switch between the points. They ran the first three gears with both points, then shifted into high, switched off one set of points to shorten dwell angle and effectively retard the timing about three degrees so the car pulled harder in high gear!

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kid vishus
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posted 04-30-2002 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Today I think I figured out what the problem was. And lets just say, I aint happy and I aint talkin about it.

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clevelandstyle
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posted 04-30-2002 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clevelandstyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, Man.....that doesn't sound good.
What's the problem?

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steve'66
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posted 04-30-2002 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Come on Rob,

Maybe the group can help.


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kid vishus
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posted 05-01-2002 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by clevelandstyle:
Oh, Man.....that doesn't sound good.
What's the problem?


Well, although I'm not sure why it did it, it sheared the pin in the cam again. This time it happened while it was idling in the garage.
Hopefully it didnt hurt near as much. Looks like its time to double pin the cam gear. (and I even ran a stupid solid flat tappet to keep this from happening. )

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clevelandstyle
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posted 05-01-2002 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clevelandstyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dude, that sucks.
Even at idle you probably have some bent valves.

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steve'66
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posted 05-01-2002 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rob,

The fact that your dist. drive gear looks ok and you had a bent valve are a couple clues. It's sure nice of it to let go in your garage at idle.

Anyone have any ideas?


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Larry Jennings
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posted 05-02-2002 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry Jennings   Click Here to Email Larry Jennings     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm just sorry to hear it .

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Clevo377
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posted 05-02-2002 05:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clevo377   Click Here to Email Clevo377     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rob, what spring pressure are you running?

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kid vishus
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posted 05-02-2002 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by clevelandstyle:
Dude, that sucks.
Even at idle you probably have some bent valves.


I ran a leakdown on it and found one bent for sure on the drivers side right away, so I went to the passenger side, and they all checked out ok. But that head is still going to come off.

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kid vishus
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posted 05-02-2002 05:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Clevo377:
Rob, what spring pressure are you running?

Paul


They were 140# on the seat new. Generally figure 10% loss after they break in, so they realistically should be around 130#. I never even dis-assembled the heads from last year. I cleaned the mating surface, and bolted them on. Same camshaft I ended the year running also.


When the motor shut off while it was idling, it made a real loud snap. When I pulled the valve covers, I saw right away that 2 pushrods were gone on the drivers side, 1 intake, and on a different cylinder, 1 exhuast. Strange thing is, neither of those cylinders had bad leakdown. The cylinder with the bent valve was next to one that had a broken pushrod.

The next cam that goes in is going to have 2 pins in it. (even if it is just a solid flat tappet)

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Fordwiser
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posted 05-02-2002 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fordwiser   Click Here to Email Fordwiser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know we talked about this before, but are you positive the bolt isn't bottoming out in the cam and giving a false torque reading? I used the factory bolt for a C motor and even used the fuel pump eccentric and it still bottomed. I guess some aftermarket cams are not drilled and tapped as deep. I know it sucks, but I'm sure it would of been alot worse if the motor would of been wound out. Hang in there!!!!!!!!

Roger

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kid vishus
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posted 05-02-2002 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Fordwiser:
I know we talked about this before, but are you positive the bolt isn't bottoming out in the cam and giving a false torque reading? I used the factory bolt for a C motor and even used the fuel pump eccentric and it still bottomed. I guess some aftermarket cams are not drilled and tapped as deep.

Roger



Yep, I usually do check it, and this time I even had to add another thick washer to it to make it not bottom out.

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futurattraction
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posted 05-02-2002 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for futurattraction   Click Here to Email futurattraction     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry to hear about your situation Rob.

As some of the others have said, at least it's good that it happened at low rpm. Didn't you have the front end off the motor this winter? It seems I recall reading that you said you'd bumped your compression up. Assuming I'm correct, there must not have been any indication that the pin was in the process of shearing. Sorry if I've not got my facts straight...
Scott

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kid vishus
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posted 05-02-2002 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by futurattraction:

Didn't you have the front end off the motor this winter? It seems I recall reading that you said you'd bumped your compression up. Assuming I'm correct, there must not have been any indication that the pin was in the process of shearing. Sorry if I've not got my facts straight...
Scott

I had to change blocks. The block I finished last year running, the #2 main web was cracked. So we filled another block, punched it out, and put a new set of Arias pistons in it. I re-used last years camshaft, and the same 4v heads I had been running.

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68F100
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posted 05-02-2002 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68F100   Click Here to Email 68F100     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Man that sucks Rob. Hope the damage isn't too much. Don't give up, cuz I ain't seen you race yet.

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futurattraction
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posted 05-02-2002 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for futurattraction   Click Here to Email futurattraction     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Same here, Rob. I want to see you run sometime this year (and meet you too). Just remember you've got lots of us here who are pulling for you and hoping your motor has sustained minimal damage.

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Butch Jennings
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posted 05-03-2002 12:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Butch Jennings   Click Here to Email Butch Jennings     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Man, I feel for you Rob....you've had a tough run of bad luck the last couple of seasons.

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Rustang
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posted 05-03-2002 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rustang   Click Here to Email Rustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone ever noticed that there seems to be alot of difference in cam pins?
I've seen some that are soft, bend easily, and can be cut with a file, while some are very hard and a file won't cut. Some of them are interference fit, sometimes they're very loose.

Point is, these differences have to affect pin strength.

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