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Dusty Kiser
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From: Bethel,Oh USA
Registered: Mar 2002

posted 04-21-2002 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dusty Kiser   Click Here to Email Dusty Kiser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Someone mentioned using a toilet on a Cleveland with some success. How adjustable is the fuel curve with that system? Does it seem to be a drivable deal that might lend itself to moderate street use?How much info did (or do) you get from the manufacturer to help in tailoring it to your application?Are you running Alky or gas? Overall do you recommend it as a cost effective unit? What provision for air filtration, if any?

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S/Q 2204
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From: Ozark, AL(again after a year of being deployed)
Registered: Feb 2001

posted 04-21-2002 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for S/Q 2204   Click Here to Email S/Q 2204     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dusty,
The Toilet is just like any other mechanical injection system, it just does not look as macho. The injectorator is a little different in that it uses a squirter so you don't have to run it real fat at idle to overcome the bog when you matt it. My system is set up to run at idle and WOT only. In order to get mid or part throttle opening curves right you will probably have to add some more relief valves. If you use gas you will have to hit the curve pretty close & worry about plug foul because of the rich mixture reqired at idle. This is not a problem with alcohol as anywhere in the ball park & it will fly. Fuel consumption will be high for street use in my opinion. I run alcohol & crank the car at the trailer, make an 1/8th mile pass, idle back to the trailer, & put back in close to two gallons. This is on a 600 incher so you will use somewhat less. I would not want to drive this car to Wallmart. It likes to idle or be wide open.
As far as the toilet being a bolt on, some say Tom hit theirs on the first try & some say they wish they could get their hands around his throat. If I can help let me know or any of these other fine Fordinatics.
It is one of the least expensive units to put on & will perform just like the rest. I just like hats.
Later,
Mark

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kid vishus
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From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000

posted 04-21-2002 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My buddy who put a flying toilet on his 377 cleveland was one of the guys who had his dead on right away. He never had to change anything. ANother buddy who put 2 of them on a sheetmetal intake on top of a 557 ci BBC also had his perfect right out of the box. But there are just as many guys who have had to fight with them to get them to work at first.

As for fuel economy with them, they arent good at all. My buddy with the cleveland, when we went to Topeka, was using over 3 gallons each pass, (their return road is quit long and it's quite aways to the staging lanes.)

Most of the guys around here that run toilets either dint use any air filter at all, or make one out of a flat K&N and bolt it to the underside of their scoop.

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jsracingbbf
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From: Batesville,MS. , U.S.A.
Registered: Mar 2002

posted 04-22-2002 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jsracingbbf   Click Here to Email jsracingbbf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dusty, Everything Mark said is a ditto for me. I used to run one on my clevland and I liked it well enough. i didn't have allot of problems tuning it. It was set-up for alky. I went from a C & S specialties 950 to the toliet and although the toleit ran faster, the holley was easier to drive. I have never been out on the street in my race car so I can't help you there. As for fuel consumption approx 1 gallon to 1 & 1/2 gallons a 1/8th mile pass depending on track, return road etc. As was mentioned before I have seen guys have great luck with them, the guy I sold mine to loves it. Others fight them all day at the track. I REALLY like my hat, just like Mark I think they look awesome. Good Luck!

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Jerry Smith
69 Pro ET Mustang
514 cid Alcohol/ Enderle injection
5.60'[email protected] 119 MPH 1/8th

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Dusty Kiser
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From: Bethel,Oh USA
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posted 04-22-2002 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dusty Kiser   Click Here to Email Dusty Kiser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks guys for the responses on the Flying toilets. If I understand you, the toilet has a nozzle in the throttle body? The pictures I've seen showed individual lines to each runner. I assume it uses a barrel valve and pill arrangement to tailor fuel delivery? Since Good carburetors are getting so expensive and setting up an EFI is costly, I thought it might be a more cost effective deal for the performance level and tuneabillity. Fuel economy was never a consideration. I've never thought about trying to wean a racing motor off of fuel!

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S/Q 2204
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From: Ozark, AL(again after a year of being deployed)
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posted 04-22-2002 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for S/Q 2204   Click Here to Email S/Q 2204     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The barrel valve sets idle mixture only. Fuel curve is done with pump size/speed, nozzle size(one in each port), and pill size.
Later,
Mark

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