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65_289
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posted 03-18-2002 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65_289   Click Here to Email 65_289     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...Or do they? That's what this debate it about.

http://forums.stangnet.net/showthread.php?s=b87f93402a18c661e07c9b459dc6eda0&postid=1064858#post1064858

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posted 03-18-2002 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 65_289:
...Or do they? That's what this debate it about.

http://forums.stangnet.net/showthread.php?s=b87f93402a18c661e07c9b459dc 6eda0&postid=1064858#post1064858


Rarely does a full exhaust make the same power much less more than open headers. If a car installs a full exhaust and picks up power, I would suspect a poorly designed open header setup (collectors too short etc...). There is an article in this months Circle Track that details "How to build a no-loss exhaust system". The X and H-pipe crossovers can give you more torque and midrange however with the exhaust still open.

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capri man
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posted 03-18-2002 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i am currently running an x pipe with mufflers. if i decide to remove the mufflers, how much pipe should i leave coming out of the x?

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kid vishus
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posted 03-18-2002 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my opinon, if you are running a poor muffler, of course open headers will make more power. But a good muffler, will make just as much if not more average hp over the entire rpm range than open headers. DRUSA did a test on a BBC super gas motor on a dyno, they made pulls wihtout mufflers, recorded peak hp and torque, and average hp and torque over th test range (which was the same as a full power pass), then installed Borla collector mufflers and made five more pulls. The Borlas lost around 3 or 4 peak HP, but gained 5 hp average. The result with the torque was the same.

All I know for sure is, my car runs exactly the same times with or without my Borlas. The only difference is the loss of a little weight (24 lbs total), and the additon of A LOT of noise without them.

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-18-2002 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a rule, 100% of the time an engine will make more power with open exhaust. Only whn an engine is specificaly engineered for mufflers via cam and induction will it make more power with mufflers.

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chips67
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posted 03-18-2002 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chips67   Click Here to Email chips67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
will a motor make more power with turndowns just after the muffler than full exaust going out the back or does it matter? ive got 2.5 inch pipes out the back...not mandrel bent....thinking of cutting off at muffler and going to turndowns.....how much more noise also?

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posted 03-20-2002 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know my motor sure picks up with open headers.I used to cut about 3 tenths off by running open headers vs my old 2 1/4 inch system with midas turbo mufflers.Switched to 2 1/2 pipes from the headers to some new flowtech afterburner mufflers and now I only lose about .15.I still have crappy unmandrell bent 2 1/4 tail pipes that I want to replace.

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