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V8 Thumper
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posted 03-11-2002 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey guys... I need some help, as my limited Holley experience will show. What I've got is a square bore vac. secondary, maybe you can help with these casting numbers:

Air horn:
3878261-EH
LIST-3310
861

Metering blocks:
5271
4519

Jets: 68's and 73's

I'm getting ready to REALLY start on my 331 stroker, would like to use this carb if it's worth a damn.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 03-11-2002 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a good carb, it's a 750 vacuum secondary. It could be a bit big, that depends on how radical you set up the 331.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 03-11-2002 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Steve... it's been years, but I think I pulled it off of a 327 'Vette motor. The 331 will be primarily street, NOT a daily driver. 270S, Trick Flow heads, RPM air gap, four speed with 3.70-ish gears, fairly aggressive street package. I'm thinking leaner jets to begin with...

Is it a 4150, 4160, or??? (I don't know squat about Holleys, sorry)

What kit would I need to overhaul it?

[This message has been edited by V8 Thumper (edited 03-11-2002).]

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kcode
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posted 03-11-2002 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kcode   Click Here to Email kcode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its is a 4160 family, it does not have a secondary metering block. It should have a metering plate. Sounds like someone already made a conversion to metering block. Should work fine on a 331.

Mike

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V8 Thumper
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posted 03-11-2002 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kcode:
Sounds like someone already made a conversion to metering block.

How will this conversion effect the mixture, as opposed to the plate? What do you think about the jet sizes?

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 03-11-2002 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by V8 Thumper:
How will this conversion effect the mixture, as opposed to the plate?

It will make it more tunable.

The size jets you have seem like a good starting point.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 03-11-2002 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the info, guys. At least SOMETHING is falling into place!


Thumbing through the Summit bible, they list a several different overhaul kits. With the secondary metering block conversion, do I order a kit for 4160 or 4150? $20 for either of those kits, or $77 for the 'Trick Kit'. Big difference, which one should I buy?

$12 for the book, 'Holley Carb. Guide For 4150/60, by Mike Ulrich'... good investment?

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steve'66
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posted 03-11-2002 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Get the kit for a 4160 (vac secondary). There are too many unneeded parts in the trick kit.

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kcode
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posted 03-11-2002 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kcode   Click Here to Email kcode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve,
I'll have to disagree on the rebuild kit. Since assuming someone has added the secondary metering block (secondary jets), actually converting from a 4160 to a 4150, the renew kit, as Holley calls them, should be for a 4150. He will need the additional gaskets for the secondary block. The 4160 kit will have the funky metering plate gaskets.

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Just Strokin
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posted 03-11-2002 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Just Strokin   Click Here to Email Just Strokin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Air horn:
3878261-EH
LIST-3310
861

Metering blocks:
5271
4519

Jets: 68's and 73's

Guy's, this is the old 3310 that was rated at 780 cfm with vacuum secondaries. It is the model 4150 (he said it has a secondarly metering block and jets).

It would make a good baseline carb to get the engine and chassis working and then play with it some with such things at adjustable secondary spings, pump nozzles and cams. Or even look for a 700/750DP that maybe one of your buddies has on his shelf.

Renew kit is 37-1539
Trick kit (the way to go) is 37-933

the carb probably came with 72's in front and 76's in the rear.

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steve'66
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posted 03-11-2002 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I stand corrected.

SteveW

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V8 Thumper
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posted 03-11-2002 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks to ALL you guys... I do appreciate your tolerance of my ignorance! I've built a some Quadra-Bogs, some Jimmy Carter's, just never had a Holley. Exactly what I was hoping to hear, in having a good piece to run as a baseline carb, and still have the capacity to tweak and tune. Thanks again, !

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Hemikiller
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posted 03-11-2002 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemikiller   Click Here to Email Hemikiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, that is a factory Chevrolet Holley carb for a 1965 Chevelle with the 425 horse 396 BBC. I think you have a nice eBay item there, let the masses decide the price, and buy yourself a new DP 700 or 750.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 03-12-2002 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hemikiller:
Actually, that is a factory Chevrolet Holley carb for a 1965 Chevelle with the 425 horse 396 BBC. I think you have a nice eBay item there, let the masses decide the price, and buy yourself a new DP 700 or 750.

Well, sh*t... just when I think I've got the situation under control...
That's an attractive option, are you sure about it being a 396 carb? I may be sitting on a goldmine...

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