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stang106
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posted 03-06-2002 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The block's at the machine shop and I'm crunching numbers. I need opinions on optimum compression ratios for a strong street/strip car. 351W, World JR 60 cc heads, 569/585 lift (card numbers). The best pump gas here is 92 octane. I still have to tell the machinist how far to parallel deck the block; I'm waiting for him to tell me his measured TDC from deck.
Thanks,
Dave

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-06-2002 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
10 to 1 at a minimum. Compression is heat energy and heat energy is horsepower.

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John Kolhei
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posted 03-06-2002 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Kolhei   Click Here to Email John Kolhei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My engine builder said "If you can't afford race gas, Maybe you should stay home"

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bfxcomet
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posted 03-07-2002 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bfxcomet   Click Here to Email bfxcomet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Dave finished your homework? I worked on T-bird, removed everything from trunk.
Roger

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stang106
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posted 03-07-2002 02:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Roger,
how's the metal in the trunk? sound? I can't wait to see those bumpers lightened up.
Dave

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n2oMike
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posted 03-07-2002 06:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What are the 0.050" numbers and lobe seperation of the cam. Also, what pistons are you using? Flattops, ? Stick or auto? Converter? Intended usage?????

You need to give more information to get reliable feedback.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 03-07-2002 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by John Kolhei:
My engine builder said "If you can't afford race gas, Maybe you should stay home"

Tell him if he can't make an engine run on pump gas, he should stick to Briggs&Strattons.

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mellowyellow
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posted 03-07-2002 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Knew there'd be a comment to the stay at home remark!! LOL!

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stang106
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posted 03-07-2002 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cam is a comp, duration at .050 239/247. Lobe life .356/.366, gross valve lift .569/.585. LS 110 degrees.
Valve timing at .050:
INT open 13BTDC close 45ABDC
EXH open 57BBDC close 9 ATDC
Pistons are FM hyperutectic flatops with four valve releases. Stock bottom end. C4 with 2500 stall. 323 gears in a possi 9"only beacuse I have little 24"tires, will chage gearing when I get larger Magnum 500's. Car is a family driver around town on sunny days. Will see about 3-4 1/4 mile strip days a year.
Thanks,
Dave

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gt350mike
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posted 03-07-2002 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gt350mike   Click Here to Email gt350mike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by stang106:
Cam is a comp, duration at .050 239/247. Lobe life .356/.366, gross valve lift .569/.585. LS 110 degrees.
Valve timing at .050:
INT open 13BTDC close 45ABDC
EXH open 57BBDC close 9 ATDC
Pistons are FM hyperutectic flatops with four valve releases. Stock bottom end. C4 with 2500 stall. 323 gears in a possi 9"only beacuse I have little 24"tires, will chage gearing when I get larger Magnum 500's. Car is a family driver around town on sunny days. Will see about 3-4 1/4 mile strip days a year.
Thanks,
Dave

I have the same question on CR. Using his motor as a reference, what is the max CR if I use 93 octane and I'm running aluminum heads ?

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Ron
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posted 03-07-2002 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ron     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
Tell him if he can't make an engine run on pump gas, he should stick to Briggs&Strattons.

Makes me remember one of my dumb moments, I was mowing the lawn and the mower ran out of fuel, I went to get the can and it was empty so being my lazy self and not wanting to run up to the gas station I looked over at the can marked VP sittin in my garage and said to myself "whats the difference?"

I've never seen a lawnmower run so terribly in my entire life, smokin, spittin, coughin, I thought... MY GOD I KILLED IT!
It was fine after I went and got regular gas and diluted it.

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steve'66
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posted 03-07-2002 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gt350mike:
I have the same question on CR. Using his motor as a reference, what is the max CR if I use 93 octane and I'm running aluminum heads ?

10.5 maybe a little more if you modify the spark curve carefully.

SteveW

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John Kolhei
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posted 03-07-2002 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Kolhei   Click Here to Email John Kolhei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve; we do burn some pump gas in the Briggs and even in the tow truck when we take the Ford Racing.

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