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steve'66
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posted 02-28-2002 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm looking at 3 different stroker kits, a 393, 408 and a 418 all 3 use 6.2" forged H beam rods, forged crank, and forged pistons. The rod ratios are 1.55 for the 393& 408 and 1.51 for the 418. The price is only $100 more for ea larger kit.

So with the 418 only $200 more than the 393 the choice looks pretty simple!

BUT.... Will I run into expensive machining and clearancing problems? If the 393w is a drop in affair and the 408 requires an expensive trip the the machine shop I might go with the shorter stroke and turn the rpms up instead.

What do you think?

SteveW

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kid vishus
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posted 02-28-2002 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I happen to know one guy who is running a 410 stroker and he turns his 7600. Thats a little more than even I probably would (yeah, right ) and it runs high 5.70's in the 1/8. Another guy with a 393w only shifts his at 6400 and his car runs 6.70's consistently (both guys run a 'glide). The 5.70 motor has a billet crank, Victor heads, a roller and a toilet on top. The other has good stuff too, but no to the same degree.

So in my opinion, rpm capability even in the strokers is just like everything else, the better the parts, the more rpm you can turn.

(personally, I would build the 393 just for the better rod stroke ratio and the fact it should be easier on the block over yrs of running)

[This message has been edited by kid vishus (edited 02-28-2002).]

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steve'66
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posted 02-28-2002 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
KV,

Could you ask your buddies if they ran into clearance problems with the 4.0" or 4.1" strokes in the 351w blocks?
The block is fairly fresh +.030 and I'd like to hone it and drop the balanced rotating assly in. Then put a pair of cnc'd Vic Jr heads on top and a sfi balancer on the crank and call it good. Of course topped w/a Vic Jr intake and 850 dp'r.

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Rustang
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posted 02-28-2002 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rustang   Click Here to Email Rustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A buddy of mine recently put together a 426W. He had to clearance the bottoms of the cylinder bores...maybe around 1/8" to 1/4"... and die grind around the flange area where the oil pump bolts on.

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kcode
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posted 02-28-2002 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kcode   Click Here to Email kcode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve,
As said before, clearancing the block and cylinders is not rocket science. An air die grinder with a carbide cutter does a neat job. Just don't carried away.

Its the initial idea of cutting on a good block. Been there and done it on the 347.

Mike

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steve'66
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posted 02-28-2002 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks guys!

I'm up for grinding on not machined areas of the block. If that's all there is to it I'm ready. Let's get that 408 ordered and button it up!

SteveW

Next ? is which solid cam for the combo? No solid rollers please! Just a suitable solid flat tappet cam to match a 408w w/ Vic Jr stage II cnc ported heads and around 11-1 compression ratio. I want it to run "retarded" on pump gas, and balls out of race gas. Any ideas?

SteveW

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I65Stang
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posted 02-28-2002 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I65Stang   Click Here to Email I65Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
Let's get that 408 ordered and button it up!

Damn, I'm never going to catch up to Melissa

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steve'66
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posted 02-28-2002 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tim,

Maybe when she's a Grandma on a cane.

SteveW

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I65Stang
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posted 02-28-2002 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I65Stang   Click Here to Email I65Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
Tim,

Maybe when she's a Grandma on a cane.

SteveW


Lol, gee, thanks Steve . By that time I'll be dead .

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posted 02-28-2002 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve, before you order it remember one thing...........THE ONLY THING BETTER THAN CUBIC INCHES......IS MORE CUBIC INCHES!
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