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Mpcoluv
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posted 01-24-2002 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,
I currently have 10.5" of vacuum at idle with my 372C. I am planning on retrofitting a power booster to my car. It seems that my vacuum is a little too low for power brakes.
Have any of you (Alex) ever tried the Crane variable duration lifters? I believe that these lifters have a lower bleed rate and lower noise than the Rhodes.
How much extra vacuum can I expect with these lifters?
Are there any problems associated with these lifters?

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-24-2002 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Rhodes lifters don't make any noise that I can hear over the headers.

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Moneymaker
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posted 01-24-2002 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have sold several sets of the Crane VDL and had no complaints. I have installed several sets of the Rhodes lifters and always had good success. Unfortunatly unlike Steve, every set we have installed were very noisy. Not quite like solids, but slushy. They have especially bad morning sickness also. One of theese days we will install a set of the Cranes and see for ourselves.

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SundanceKid
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posted 01-24-2002 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have ran them and they are plenty noisy! You can't hear it from inside the car but outside it makes people question your engine. And I second the cold morning crankyness. Takes a few minuites for the engine to run right...this was with a fuel injected car too. It would bog pretty bad, but only when realy cold.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-24-2002 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I'm probably in for a rude surprise when I drop the engine in my Mach with a much quieter exhaust. The exhaust on the Sprint was very loud.

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Mpcoluv
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posted 01-24-2002 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SundanceKid:
I have ran them and they are plenty noisy! You can't hear it from inside the car but outside it makes people question your engine. And I second the cold morning crankyness. Takes a few minuites for the engine to run right...this was with a fuel injected car too. It would bog pretty bad, but only when realy cold.

Are you referring to the rhodes? or the Crane version?

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bluestreek
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posted 01-24-2002 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have ran the Crane VDLs and was very happy with them when the engine was fresh with about 80 PSI of oil pressure. I gained 2" of vacuum and about 150 rpms @ idle, and I didn't notice any noise at all. But when the Oil pressure went down to about 40 psi after a few 7500 rpm runs, they started getting loud and grumpy on the cold starts. So I guess they like good oil pressure.

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posted 01-24-2002 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, you all know I'm really a solid lifter kinda guy anyway.

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posted 01-24-2002 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those were the Crane version I was reffering to. My oil pressure was 70 psi never dipped below 40 psi.

I have yet to build an engine with solid lifters so I couldn't compair them to solids.

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Rustang
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posted 01-25-2002 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rustang   Click Here to Email Rustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've run the crane's in my pickup's 351W. They do have a little noise to them, but otherwise seem to work fine. One thing I've noticed is when the motor's cold there's an obvious lopey idle. Once it's warmed up the idle smooths out to where you can't tell it from a stock cam. I attribute that to the thick cold oil making the lifters act more like a conventional lifter. I do know of an article in Hot Rod where they compared the rhoades to the crane, and the crane had better idle quality and more torque/power at all rpm.

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posted 01-25-2002 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The main reason I like the variable duration lifters is because, even though they are hydraulic, they let you run a bigger flat tappet cam in a street car without loosing a lot of torque down low, and they perform more like a solid lifter in the upper-rpm ranges (6000-7500 rpms).. A cam with more than 224 degrees duration will idle a little rough regardless of the type of lifters you use.
If you want a smooth quiet running engine, you should stick with a cam below 220 degrees @ .050 lift and use standard Hyd. lifters.

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Mpcoluv
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posted 01-25-2002 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really just want to reduce the body and interior rattle at idle.
I have no drivability problems, just mucho
NVH.

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