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steve'66
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posted 01-19-2002 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you c-4 dragracers do your waterbox burnouts in 1st then shift to second, or do you start in second and go to third or what? Thanks for your help....

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Hans olsson
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posted 01-19-2002 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hans olsson   Click Here to Email Hans olsson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve, we use second gear only. Hans

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kid vishus
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posted 01-19-2002 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I start in 2nd, just to ge the tires spinning, then pull it into high gear.

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Just Jim
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posted 01-19-2002 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Just Jim     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I start out in 1st and shift to second and with no rev limiter sometimes have to hope the motor says together.LOL.

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kid vishus
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posted 01-19-2002 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, here's my exact procedure (sortof). Roll thru the water and stop just on the edge of where the water has been drug out by other cars. Set the line lock, and pull the shifter back into second gear. When I get the signal to start, I wap the throttle to get the tires spinning then pull it back into high turning the shift lite on, wait about 2 secnds, release the line lock and pour the power to it trying to keep it off the 8000 rpm rev limiter, carry it out about 15 feet then roll out of the throttle, kick it up into nuetral, slowly coasting towards th tree, and clean it out once I get stopped, generally about 5 feet from the pre-stage beams.

But all that has a tendency to change. I have been known to pull it back into high and release the line lock at the same time.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-19-2002 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kid, I've been meaning to ask you, do you really need to do 8000 burn outs? Wouldn't you do just as good a burn out at 4000 and make your equipment last 10x longer?

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kid vishus
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posted 01-19-2002 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
Kid, I've been meaning to ask you, do you really need to do 8000 burn outs? Wouldn't you do just as good a burn out at 4000 and make your equipment last 10x longer?



8000 is a bit excessive, and I try not to let it get there, but sometimes stuff happens Its actually best if I keep it right around 7000. As for 4000 rpm, my convertor stalls 6400, and I dont think I would have enuff tire speed to heat them properly in that short of time. My whole burnout procedure has gotten so compact and time shortened that I am almost always the first guy to the tree.

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clevelandstyle
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posted 01-19-2002 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for clevelandstyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've seen guys do a burn out with a high stall, but there engine is not up to the stall speed. The tires turn very slowly, but the engine is reving, so they think they are heating the tires. Really they're just heating there converter.

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Butch Jennings
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posted 01-19-2002 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Butch Jennings   Click Here to Email Butch Jennings     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I get'em started up in first and shift to second the third relatively quick, I try to keep the rpm around 5000 while in the water...I usually stay in the water for 4 or 5 seconds once I'm in high gear. I apply power as I release the linelock and keep rpm around 5500 to 6000 for about 3 seconds then roll out of the throttle. I clean the engine once and purge the nitrous (if I'm running the jug) right before I light the top bulb. Also, I always courtesy stage unless I'm instructed otherwise by the starter.

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steve'66
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posted 01-20-2002 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like a little of everything. Thanks for the tips, we'll try 2-3 next time. The 1-2 last time didn't make much smoke.

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Mario428
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posted 01-20-2002 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mario428   Click Here to Email Mario428     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lots of smoke is not everything. My MT's do not need a big burnout. I heat them hard the first burnout of the day. Start in 1st gear get tires spinning, shift to secong holding at 5800. When engine starts to load up against tires on first burnout I will do a 5or so count and power to line. On 2nd or more burnout I will do a 1-2 count after engine starts to load and power out. I do not try to get my tires real wet. These burnouts get me minimal smoke except for the first one.
I run 14.5 x 32 MT's and they have 165 passes on them and are good for 30 more. I hook as consistently or better than anyone at the tracks I run at.

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kid vishus
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posted 01-20-2002 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I put 275 passes on my 32x13.5W Hoosiers this year. And they have enuff rubber left for probably another 50-75 passes. The last weekend out, the car still ran the same 60' times as at the beginning of the season when the tires were new (1.35-1.37 being normal).

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70 Pony
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posted 01-20-2002 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70 Pony   Click Here to Email 70 Pony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
STEVE.....I know you are my guru, but have you tried Ronson lighter fluid and a Zippo lighter ?????

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steve'66
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posted 01-20-2002 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 70 Pony:
STEVE.....I know you are my guru, but have you tried Ronson lighter fluid and a Zippo lighter ?????


Do they still sell those?

Welcome back Eddie, How 'bout them Eagles!


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Moneymaker
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posted 01-22-2002 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, since I have been known to do a burn out or two over the years with C-4 equipped cars I can give you all my insight.
The mechanical advantage of starting out in low gear (first) really helps top get the tires spinning in a hurry. We have a multi step ignition system so we can limit the RPM on the burnout. You always want to start out in first and shift to second right away. Then pull high and as soon as you see a haze of smoke, release the line loc and let her rip wide open until the tires recover and hook. This is the way we do it and have been forever. Even before two/three steps and we had to monitor the tach.
Starting out in second even with a "slurpy" to get the tires wet may not get the tires spinning on a concrete track. I have seen it happen a thousand times especially on chebbies with powerslides and small blocks.
NOTE TO EDDIE and STEVE. I have a new Zippo and use Ronson fluid all the time. Works great!

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capri man
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posted 01-22-2002 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thats exactly the way i do it alex. just keep watching me and you will learn lots of stuff!!! hee hee
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