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Skeeter
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posted 01-07-2002 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Skeeter   Click Here to Email Skeeter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are quite a few to choose from...
Can't decide on AFR, TFS, or Edelbrock??
They will be fore a 351w that i drive less than a 1,000 miles a year.
Any suggestions?

Thanks M&M!

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Mpcoluv
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posted 01-07-2002 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Air flow Research 185cc look good.
As do the canfields....
Many people have had problems with the Trick Flow heads, but TFS may have fixed all the rpoblem area by now. I have heard many complaints about the softness of the Edelbrock casting....
What are you doing with the motor? What rpm range and power level are you desiring? Have you considered the fairly cheap 392 stroker kit for a 351?
For a mild to moderate 351, the World products Roush 200 iron heads are pretty good I would think and be cheaper than most of the aluminum offerings.

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SundanceKid
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posted 01-07-2002 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am collecting lift flow data on all the popular heads for the SBF So far I have AFR TFS and Edelbrock. I still need Flow data for World products (Windsor Jr. Winsor Roush) Canfields, Ford Motorsports and any other I don't know about.

So far the AFR's are the best heads per the Flow data.

If anyone has any links or flow data to the heads I listed let me know. I should have the World products info by the end of next week...I sent for a catalog.

I was going to compile the data and then post it here if anyone is interested?

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Skeeter
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posted 01-07-2002 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Skeeter   Click Here to Email Skeeter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The reason i am looking for a set of heads is because i lost a couple of push rods. This was cause by not enough spring tension in the origanal heads. Also they compression is atleast 11:1 so that is why i will be going with an aluminum head. I just have a couple of specs on the cam. 288 duration and 506 lift.
I am not quite ready to build a stroker yet. May be down the road.

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SundanceKid
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posted 01-07-2002 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, someone already did this for me.
Look here for head flow data:

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/3553/Tech_Briefs/flowdata/aluminum.html

They have all but the World products I think.

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MrWesson22
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posted 01-07-2002 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrWesson22   Click Here to Email MrWesson22     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AFR makes great heads, but they're CNC ported from the factory so there's not a lot of potential for additional gain later. I personally like canfields just from what I've seen/learned through word of mouth and friends who run them. Out of the box, they flow almost as well as afr 185s, but fully ported they'll blow the afrs away. So you could bolt them on stock now and do great then really hog em out if you decide to go with a stroker in the future. Just my $.02.

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65_289
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posted 01-08-2002 01:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65_289   Click Here to Email 65_289     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MrWesson22:
AFR makes great heads, but they're CNC ported from the factory so there's not a lot of potential for additional gain later. I personally like canfields just from what I've seen/learned through word of mouth and friends who run them. Out of the box, they flow almost as well as afr 185s, but fully ported they'll blow the afrs away. So you could bolt them on stock now and do great then really hog em out if you decide to go with a stroker in the future. Just my $.02.


But since the Canfields have raised ex. ports, you have to get different headers, I think. Just something to keep in mind.

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TomP
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posted 01-08-2002 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some of those heads outflow most big block heads!

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ragtopjr
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posted 01-08-2002 01:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ragtopjr   Click Here to Email ragtopjr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have ordered the AFR 185's to me they seemed to be the best head on the market right now, from my research anyway

Talk to Alex he is now a dealer for AFR

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Kyle
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posted 01-08-2002 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kyle   Click Here to Email Kyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use Victor Jr. heads in my fairlane. They have raised exhaust ports and I have no problem using the Hooker headers made for the car. Out of the box, they flow 291cfm intake, 199cfm exhaust, which is more than a clevland 4v head, I believe. Just be aware of valve sizes and what will fit into the pockets in the pistons. Victor Jr.s are 2.05/1.60, so cutting was required.

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63 Fairlane (my race car): 302, Victor Jr. heads and intake, Harland Sharp roller rockers, solid lifter cam, Moroso 150hp nitrous kit, super comp headers, MSD 6al and duraspark, 650 DP carb, C4 w/ Hughes kit and converter

66 Mustang coupe(her show 'n go car): 289, offy intake, custom cam, edelbrock 600 carb, stock 3spd manual

73 Mach 1 (street/srtip): 302, 5.0 heads w/ Yella Terra roller rockers, custom cam, long tube headers, C4 w/ shift kit

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kid vishus
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posted 01-08-2002 05:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kyle:
Out of the box, they flow 291cfm intake, 199cfm exhaust, which is more than a clevland 4v head, I believe.


Yep, better than an unported 4v head.

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n2oMike
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posted 01-08-2002 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Victor Jr's exhaust port is only raised 1/8", the Canfields are raised quite a bit more than that.

It's tough to beat the AFR's. For the port work they come with, the price is a real bargain. Going direct, they will set the heads up exactly how you want... If you want 7/16" studs, different springs for your cam, milling, different valves, etc... all you gotta do is ask. Of course there is a charge for some items, but the last set I ordered, they swapped the springs for free. The machine work and valve job are also first class. Many aftermarket heads need to go right back to the machine shop as soon as you take them out of the box.

Good Luck!

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chips67
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posted 01-08-2002 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chips67   Click Here to Email chips67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BEFORE I PURCHASED MY AFR 165'S LAST SUMMER I DID EXTENSIVE RESEARCH. the only thing i can tell you is that everything i read on the net and in mags along with a couple guys at the track said overall out-of-the-box quality and flow, the afr's were the best. i honestly believe the small valve are easily capable of over 400 hp. out of the box with the right cam....not the cam i got. ive also heard the canfields are good heads as well as the tfs and victor jr's. the afr's arent as cheap as the tfs head but they wont have to go to a machine shop, finished quality is impressive. my car felt like it was on the bottle when i first put the heads on with my e-303 cam. i never got to run it that way before a lifter failure and i changed the cam to an f-303 before going to the track. the cam change definetly killed the power and my et's backed up how it felt. i cant tell you more about my experience with the afr heads.

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67 coupe, 650dp and rpm intake on 5.0 with afr 165 heads, 4 speed, 4.11's.....best so far is [email protected] in 1/8 mile with 1.79 60ft. time.

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Skeeter
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posted 01-09-2002 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Skeeter   Click Here to Email Skeeter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So it sounds like The AFR, TFS and Edelbrock RMP are the only ones that have the stock exhaust height. Which one to get?????

Thanks for all your help M&M

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blown 351
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posted 01-09-2002 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blown 351   Click Here to Email blown 351     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe when the t/f heads are used with a Windsor, it will limit the type/style of header being used due to the plug angle???
I would recommend the AFR. I was not all that impressed with the RPMs out of the box. Lots of bumps, short turn radius improvements, and valve shrouding that was corrected. Driving only 1000 miles per year? The cost of aluminum heads? When you do get whatever, be sure to look on your cam card for spring tension requirements.

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