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Topic: Which SBF Aluminum head to purchase?
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Skeeter
Gearhead Posts: 160
From: California
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 01-07-2002 05:46 PM
   
There are quite a few to choose from...
Can't decide on AFR, TFS, or Edelbrock??
They will be fore a 351w that i drive less than a 1,000 miles a year.
Any suggestions?Thanks M&M!
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Mpcoluv
Gearhead Posts: 1341
From: Charlotte NC usa
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 01-07-2002 05:52 PM
Air flow Research 185cc look good.
As do the canfields....
Many people have had problems with the Trick Flow heads, but TFS may have fixed all the rpoblem area by now. I have heard many complaints about the softness of the Edelbrock casting....
What are you doing with the motor? What rpm range and power level are you desiring? Have you considered the fairly cheap 392 stroker kit for a 351?
For a mild to moderate 351, the World products Roush 200 iron heads are pretty good I would think and be cheaper than most of the aluminum offerings.
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SundanceKid
Gearhead Posts: 1274
From: UT
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 01-07-2002 06:33 PM
I am collecting lift flow data on all the popular heads for the SBF So far I have AFR TFS and Edelbrock. I still need Flow data for World products (Windsor Jr. Winsor Roush) Canfields, Ford Motorsports and any other I don't know about. So far the AFR's are the best heads per the Flow data. If anyone has any links or flow data to the heads I listed let me know. I should have the World products info by the end of next week...I sent for a catalog. I was going to compile the data and then post it here if anyone is interested?
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Skeeter
Gearhead Posts: 160
From: California
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 01-07-2002 06:52 PM
The reason i am looking for a set of heads is because i lost a couple of push rods. This was cause by not enough spring tension in the origanal heads. Also they compression is atleast 11:1 so that is why i will be going with an aluminum head. I just have a couple of specs on the cam. 288 duration and 506 lift.
I am not quite ready to build a stroker yet. May be down the road.
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SundanceKid
Gearhead Posts: 1274
From: UT
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 01-07-2002 11:20 PM
Ok, someone already did this for me.
Look here for head flow data:http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/3553/Tech_Briefs/flowdata/aluminum.html They have all but the World products I think.
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MrWesson22
Gearhead Posts: 1286
From: Dacula, GA
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 01-07-2002 11:36 PM
AFR makes great heads, but they're CNC ported from the factory so there's not a lot of potential for additional gain later. I personally like canfields just from what I've seen/learned through word of mouth and friends who run them. Out of the box, they flow almost as well as afr 185s, but fully ported they'll blow the afrs away. So you could bolt them on stock now and do great then really hog em out if you decide to go with a stroker in the future. Just my $.02.------------------
Neal
Member #723
[email protected] AIM: MrWesson22 69 Gulfstream Aqua Grande
351C/Toploader 4sp
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65_289
Gearhead Posts: 761
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Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 01-08-2002 01:05 AM
quote:
Originally posted by MrWesson22:
AFR makes great heads, but they're CNC ported from the factory so there's not a lot of potential for additional gain later. I personally like canfields just from what I've seen/learned through word of mouth and friends who run them. Out of the box, they flow almost as well as afr 185s, but fully ported they'll blow the afrs away. So you could bolt them on stock now and do great then really hog em out if you decide to go with a stroker in the future. Just my $.02.
But since the Canfields have raised ex. ports, you have to get different headers, I think. Just something to keep in mind.
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TomP
Gearhead Posts: 6120
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 01-08-2002 01:11 AM
Some of those heads outflow most big block heads!
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ragtopjr
Gearhead Posts: 2626
From: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada.
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-08-2002 01:42 AM
I have ordered the AFR 185's to me they seemed to be the best head on the market right now, from my research anyway  Talk to Alex he is now a dealer for AFR ------------------
Ed
Heart mods:Trick High flow titanium valve ported & polished Listen close: "tic tic tic" No folks thats not a noisy lifter thats the sound of big flow!
1984 5.0L LX Conv 3600 lbs 13.41 at 101.89 SIR
My Homepage Black Sunshine Racing
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Kyle
Gearhead Posts: 430
From: Sumner, WA
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 01-08-2002 01:44 AM
I use Victor Jr. heads in my fairlane. They have raised exhaust ports and I have no problem using the Hooker headers made for the car. Out of the box, they flow 291cfm intake, 199cfm exhaust, which is more than a clevland 4v head, I believe. Just be aware of valve sizes and what will fit into the pockets in the pistons. Victor Jr.s are 2.05/1.60, so cutting was required.------------------
Kyle Laramore 63 Fairlane (my race car): 302, Victor Jr. heads and intake, Harland Sharp roller rockers, solid lifter cam, Moroso 150hp nitrous kit, super comp headers, MSD 6al and duraspark, 650 DP carb, C4 w/ Hughes kit and converter 66 Mustang coupe(her show 'n go car): 289, offy intake, custom cam, edelbrock 600 carb, stock 3spd manual 73 Mach 1 (street/srtip): 302, 5.0 heads w/ Yella Terra roller rockers, custom cam, long tube headers, C4 w/ shift kit
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6590
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-08-2002 05:44 AM
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Originally posted by Kyle:
Out of the box, they flow 291cfm intake, 199cfm exhaust, which is more than a clevland 4v head, I believe.
Yep, better than an unported 4v head.
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n2oMike
Gearhead Posts: 2831
From: Spencer, WV
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 01-08-2002 08:13 AM
The Victor Jr's exhaust port is only raised 1/8", the Canfields are raised quite a bit more than that.It's tough to beat the AFR's. For the port work they come with, the price is a real bargain. Going direct, they will set the heads up exactly how you want... If you want 7/16" studs, different springs for your cam, milling, different valves, etc... all you gotta do is ask. Of course there is a charge for some items, but the last set I ordered, they swapped the springs for free. The machine work and valve job are also first class. Many aftermarket heads need to go right back to the machine shop as soon as you take them out of the box.  Good Luck! ------------------
Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367
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chips67
Gearhead Posts: 663
From: louisville, ky, usa
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 01-08-2002 08:34 PM
BEFORE I PURCHASED MY AFR 165'S LAST SUMMER I DID EXTENSIVE RESEARCH. the only thing i can tell you is that everything i read on the net and in mags along with a couple guys at the track said overall out-of-the-box quality and flow, the afr's were the best. i honestly believe the small valve are easily capable of over 400 hp. out of the box with the right cam....not the cam i got. ive also heard the canfields are good heads as well as the tfs and victor jr's. the afr's arent as cheap as the tfs head but they wont have to go to a machine shop, finished quality is impressive. my car felt like it was on the bottle when i first put the heads on with my e-303 cam. i never got to run it that way before a lifter failure and i changed the cam to an f-303 before going to the track. the cam change definetly killed the power and my et's backed up how it felt. i cant tell you more about my experience with the afr heads. ------------------
67 coupe, 650dp and rpm intake on 5.0 with afr 165 heads, 4 speed, 4.11's.....best so far is [email protected] in 1/8 mile with 1.79 60ft. time.
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Skeeter
Gearhead Posts: 160
From: California
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 01-09-2002 11:01 AM
So it sounds like The AFR, TFS and Edelbrock RMP are the only ones that have the stock exhaust height. Which one to get?????Thanks for all your help M&M
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blown 351
Journeyman Posts: 68
From: Seattle, Wa. 98258
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 01-09-2002 03:45 PM
I believe when the t/f heads are used with a Windsor, it will limit the type/style of header being used due to the plug angle???
I would recommend the AFR. I was not all that impressed with the RPMs out of the box. Lots of bumps, short turn radius improvements, and valve shrouding that was corrected. Driving only 1000 miles per year? The cost of aluminum heads? When you do get whatever, be sure to look on your cam card for spring tension requirements.
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