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n2oMike
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From: Spencer, WV
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posted 12-05-2001 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I ran across this info... thought you guys might be interested.

Our new blocks are going to be available with the following:
9.500 deck, cleveland main or 302 main
9.200 deck, cleveland main or 302 main
8.700 deck 302 main, 8.200 deck 302 main
all caps are billet steel and 4 bolt, your center three are splayed. There is an 18% increase in oil feed with stock style pump, even more volume with rear feed. External oil feed will be at the front and back. Cam tunnel is designed to except machining for 55mm roller bearings. Standard set up will use svo/nascar type cam bearings. The bore is awesome, at 4.185 it is still over .250 thick. This is also a high nickel content block which improves strength. The 9.2 and 9.5 deck block will have 1/2 inner main bolts, and 7/16 outer. The front and rear cap on these will have 3/8 outers. The 8.2 and 8.7 deck blocks will have 7/16 throughout. If you have any further questions you can e-mail me at [email protected] or call me at Dart 1-248-362-1188 ext 105. My name is John.

Even more info here... Check the "Hard Core Drag Racing Tech" forum.

http://www.thefordmall.com/frameset.html?messa

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Mike Burch
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 12-05-2001 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any idea of price?

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n2oMike
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posted 12-05-2001 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From the forum listed in the above link...

!!!NEW FORD BLOCK BY DART!!!

Dart Machinery has unveiled its new FORD BLOCK at the PRI show in Indy this weekend. The 351 blocks will be available sometime in January and the 302 will follow sometime in February if everything goes as expected. If you have any questions about the blocks feel free to call the shop and talk with the [email protected]

The new Dart blocks are awesome. They told me that it was capable of a 4.185 bore but some other engine builders said there is enough material for a 4.200 bore. As for strength, I think it will handle anything you can throw at it. The price will be a little cheaper than the current FRPP blocks. Ford also came out with a new block that has similar dimensions so there will be some competition between them!

Available in 8.2, 8.7, 9.2, and 9.5!!!!!! They rep said they will be available by the end of January.

That Dart block is gonna sell like hotcakes as soon as someone builds a motor and does well with it in NMRA or Fun Ford. The real funny part about that were the Ford guys coming over to the Dart display to "check the Dart piece out." Those guys at Dart have got FRPP running scared. A good block that they said will be PLENTY available...none of that waiting forever crap like with the SVO 351 block. I was totally impressed. Sad that I've got my block already and money into it. The Dart deal is a NICE piece!

The rep talked a lot about the drag racing scene but also mentioned its use in NASCAR quite often so I am sure that was a big push in getting the small block done.

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367

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TomP
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posted 12-05-2001 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow! now that sounds cool. With walls that thick i guess you could bore to 4.25.... except that'd leave 1/8" between the bores and no gasket would likely seal it.

Sounds like a good base for a radical "289" i'd love to build some day.

Tom

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TomP
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posted 12-05-2001 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The SVO/Nascar cam bearing are the same size all the way along and not tapered sizes like stock?

Tom

[This message has been edited by TomP (edited 12-05-2001).]

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Mpcoluv
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posted 12-06-2001 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TomP:
The SVO/Nascar cam bearing are the same size all the way along and not tapered sizes like stock?

Tom

[This message has been edited by TomP (edited 12-05-2001).]


I think the bearing bores are all the same diameter. Ford used to make a set of bearing inserts that had a progressively smaller ID so a normal cam can be used. Comp or crane can make you a common bearing cam anyways.
So no problem

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Mpcoluv
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posted 12-06-2001 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW why does Dart make a block but no heads?
Remember World products and DART had a falling out a few years ago, therefore all of the old Dart Windsor heads are now "World Products"

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n2oMike
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posted 12-06-2001 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess they figured the market was fairly saturated with heads, and blocks would make them more money...

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367

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Moneymaker
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posted 12-06-2001 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw the prototype at the PRI show and the engineers are very proud of it. It is cast in Milwaukee Wisc where the FRRP blocks and GMPP blocks are also cast. I have spoken at great depth with them and the January delivery date is a bit "optomistic". The 351 block they had on display was just literally finished on the Wednesday before the show. The main caps are all billet and all have four bolts. Pricing will be in the $1700 to $1800 range "wholesale". I was quite impressed with the finished product. They have made many improvments over FoMoCo. the engineers told me that they have been in the works for over two years, but they wanted to enter the market with a "PERFECT" piece. Unfortunatly for us, the Dart blocks will not be acceptable for NHRA/IHRA stock or superstock as replacments.

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Mpcoluv
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posted 12-07-2001 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gee, with a 4.185 bore and a 4" stroke, I could bould a 440" cleveland(9.2 block). I know, I know, still a Clevor but my headers woud fit.
Then the displacement would finally match the heads.
Or a 451 with the 4.185 bore and 4.100 strok on the 9.5 block

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Moneymaker
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posted 12-07-2001 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THE ONLY THING BETTER THAN CUBIC INCHES IS .........MORE CUBIC INCHES!

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Alex Denysenko
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