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Topic: Got the heads flowed today
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Clevo377 Gearhead Posts: 312 From: Blackburn, Victoria, Australia Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 10-18-2001 04:49 AM
Got my welded port 4V's flowed today, Intakes are now 305CC, Exhausts 170CC. Results are (CFM@28"): Lift / In / Ex 0.1" / 61.1 / 48.93 0.2" / 136.7 / 92.56 0.3" / 192.6 / 131 0.4" / 228.7 / 154.3 0.5" / 261 / 173.1 0.55"/ 276 / 178.9 0.6" / 287.1 / 185.5 0.65"/ 298.6 / 189.9 0.7" / 308.1 / 191.2 0.75"/ 300.2 / 195.9With a bit of luck I'll reach my goal of 500HP. Paul
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Clevo377 Gearhead Posts: 312 From: Blackburn, Victoria, Australia Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 10-18-2001 06:46 PM
Those results were at 25". So @28" = Lift / In / Ex 0.1" / 64.77 / 51.87 0.2" / 144.9 / 98.11 0.3" / 204.2 / 138.9 0.4" / 242.4 / 163.6 0.5" / 276.7 / 183.5 0.55"/ 292.6 / 189.6 0.6" / 304.3 / 196.6 0.65"/ 316.5 / 201.3 0.7" / 326.6 / 202.7 0.75"/ 318.2 / 207.6even better
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MrWesson22 Gearhead Posts: 1203 From: Dacula, GA Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 10-18-2001 06:55 PM
Those flow numbers are great... That's pretty much exactly what I'm looking to get out of my heads (70 4V). If you don't mind spending a little time responding, what exactly did you do with the heads, and how many hours would you say you have invested in them total?? Thanks a bunch!
------------------ Neal Member #723 [email protected] AIM: MrWesson22 69 Gulfstream Aqua Grande 351C/Toploader 4sp
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Clevo377 Gearhead Posts: 312 From: Blackburn, Victoria, Australia Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 10-18-2001 08:00 PM
No problem Neal, I cant respond until I get home tonight (Australian time). But will go into as much detail as I can. (and post pics) Paul
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kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 4357 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 10-18-2001 09:21 PM
Those are some really nice numbers Paul. That's what is nice abouit a filled intake port. You dont have that huge jump in flow numbers. My heads that arent filled go from 155 cfm @.200, to 227 cfm @.300, all the way to 279 cfm @ .400.With increases that dramatic, it tneds to make turbulence in the port. Before I lost access to a flow bench, I was just starting to play around with puttying up an intake port. My first attempt showed promise, but then the guy moved and took his flow bench with him. My numbers were pretty similar, just not quite as good as yours. lift/ cfm @28" .200 141.2 .300 202.64 .400 256.28 .500 292.04 .600 306.88 .700 322.56
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Clevo377 Gearhead Posts: 312 From: Blackburn, Victoria, Australia Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 10-19-2001 06:32 AM
Just tesing a pic (forgotton exactly how to post them) [This message has been edited by Clevo377 (edited 10-19-2001).] [This message has been edited by Clevo377 (edited 10-19-2001).]
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Clevo377 Gearhead Posts: 312 From: Blackburn, Victoria, Australia Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 10-19-2001 07:09 AM
Well I'm PISSED OFF . Spent two hours getting a reply together, sorted out the pics. Put the whole thing together and it was rejected because I had too many pics. Okay, no problem, I'll take a couple out. WRONG. Lost the f%$#&%g lot . There is now NO reply (sorry Neal). Guess I've learn't to do long replies in Word from now on. But for now F#%$g Paul Maybe tomorrow
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MrWesson22 Gearhead Posts: 1203 From: Dacula, GA Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 10-19-2001 07:44 AM
I'm sorry about that, Paul. I really appreciate you going to all this effort. There's no hurry, I haven't even pulled the heads yet, so it's going to be a while before they get to Iowa and they get started.------------------ Neal Member #723 [email protected] AIM: MrWesson22 69 Gulfstream Aqua Grande 351C/Toploader 4sp
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SteveLaRiviere Administrator Posts: 32961 From: Saco, Maine Registered: May 99
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posted 10-19-2001 06:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by Clevo377: Well I'm PISSED OFF . Spent two hours getting a reply together, sorted out the pics. Put the whole thing together and it was rejected because I had too many pics. Okay, no problem, I'll take a couple out. WRONG. Lost the f%$#&%g lot . There is now NO reply (sorry Neal). Guess I've learn't to do long replies in Word from now on. But for now F#%$?g Paul Maybe tomorrow
Or put the pics in multiple post. I think the UBB system limits posts to eight images. {I can't change that.} By the way, you didn't really lose them, if you would have hit the 'Back' icon, the posting window would have returned. Sorry for the hassle. ------------------ '70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open '72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok '94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip '97 Probe GTS 2.5L DOHC Be American, Drive American!
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kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 4357 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 10-19-2001 09:20 PM
Unshrouding the back side of the chamber by the intake valve really helps low lift numbers. It might increase the cc's a little, but it really helps the flow. If I had a digital camera I would take a few pics and send them, but I'm too poor to have one of those new fangled thingeys
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Mpcoluv Gearhead Posts: 928 From: Charlotte NC usa Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 10-20-2001 09:17 AM
quote: Originally posted by kid vishus: Unshrouding the back side of the chamber by the intake valve really helps low lift numbers. It might increase the cc's a little, but it really helps the flow. If I had a digital camera I would take a few pics and send them, but I'm too poor to have one of those new fangled thingeys
By the back side, I assume you mean the plug or exhaust side of the chamber?
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kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 4357 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 10-20-2001 10:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by Mpcoluv: By the back side, I assume you mean the plug or exhaust side of the chamber?
Nope, actually if you use the plug as 12 o'clock, drop down to about 4 o'clock. They take and lay that area of the chamber back with a 40 or 45 degree cutter. It unshrouds that area by the intake valve a bunch. It pulls the chamber back and away slightly from that area of the intake valve.
My closed chamber heads had that done to them, then I polished the chambers and then we cut .025 off of them to bring the cc's down to 64.
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Clevo377 Gearhead Posts: 312 From: Blackburn, Victoria, Australia Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 10-20-2001 07:13 PM
Steve, I hit the back button but was given a blank reply window. (from what I remember)Still have'nt re-done the reply yet, will do soon. Paul
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Clevo377 Gearhead Posts: 312 From: Blackburn, Victoria, Australia Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 10-20-2001 08:33 PM
Kid, with the unshrouding, are the cylinders notched as well, would this also help?Paul
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Clevo377 Gearhead Posts: 312 From: Blackburn, Victoria, Australia Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 10-21-2001 08:05 AM
OKFirstly, this is only my second attempt at porting. What I?ve done is based on what I have read on the internet, and in a couple of books I have, so I make no claims of knowing exactly what I?m doing. Here goes: The port floors were welded up to slightly higher than level with the short side radius, then ground down until about level. This was done to reduce the area and thus mathematical peak torque RPM to around 5500. The exhaust crossover was welded up and shaped as per the other exhaust bowls. The port roofs were ground out leading from the start of the port to the bowl. (Bowls were not enlarged at all ) Push rod bumps were removed as much as possible. The inlets neck down slightly to increase velocity leading up to the turn, while the exhaust area stays relatively uniform. The exhaust floor is flat and wide whilst the roof is rounded with the transition from the bowl roof to the port roof smoothed out (ground out the bump caused by the header bolt hole). The short side radii were left as high as possible to turn the flow well above the back of the valve, with the radii smoothed and rounded as much as possible. The guides were shortened and thinned leading in the direction of flow. Bowls were blended only with a minimal of material removed. Seats were blended into the bowls with care being taken to remove the minimum amount of material, thus leaving the slight venturi just above the seat. Chambers were blended into the seats and laid back slightly wherever possible. The heads have cc?d at 59 so removing a little material didn?t hurt (you have to grind out a fair bit to make up 1cc). The exhaust ports and the chambers were then polished. Some Z-spar epoxy was used on the inlets to fill any small inconsistencies in the floor, and blow holes left from the welding. Paul [This message has been edited by Clevo377 (edited 10-21-2001).] [This message has been edited by Clevo377 (edited 03-19-2002).]
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Mpcoluv Gearhead Posts: 928 From: Charlotte NC usa Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 10-21-2001 08:27 AM
How much would a welding job like that cost in the USA?
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n2oMike Gearhead Posts: 1511 From: Spencer, WV Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 10-21-2001 09:32 AM
DAMN!I guess one really good thing about the 351C, and it's overly huge ports... is that with enough griding and welding, you can make the ports look about however you want! Hat's off... that's a LOT of work! ------------------ Mike Burch 66 mustang real street 302 4-speed 289 heads 10.63 @ 129.3 http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367
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n2oMike Gearhead Posts: 1511 From: Spencer, WV Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 10-21-2001 09:35 AM
For you 351C fans and Aussies... There are quite a few guys from down under at the www.fordmuscle.com forum. They are into 351C's, and one guy is on the verge of putting his car in the 8's. Many of these guys like the 2bbl heads (aussie), just heavily modified. ------------------ Mike Burch 66 mustang real street 302 4-speed 289 heads 10.63 @ 129.3 http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367
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bluestreek Gearhead Posts: 1228 From: Athens,GA Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 10-21-2001 10:32 AM
Nice work Paul.. Looks better than a chebby port to me!! All you Cleve guys , don't forget the cylinder walls will cause some valve shrouding too. The more you can bore the cylinder, the better the head will flow once it's on the block.. Can you still get those HD Aussie blocks?
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kid vishus Gearhead Posts: 4357 From: middle of NC Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 10-21-2001 10:36 AM
That looks real nice Paul. Alos looks like alot more work than I have the patience to do.
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Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 19686 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99
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posted 10-21-2001 10:37 AM
Nice job on the heads Paul. I'm also happy that I am not the only shmuck who has problems with long posts getting rejected or blown out. Sorry that you also ohad problems. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00 & '01 Fleet of FoMoCo products Moneymaker Bio US Class Nationals link
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MrWesson22 Gearhead Posts: 1203 From: Dacula, GA Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 10-21-2001 05:45 PM
Wow! It's obvious you have a lot of time/$$$ invested in those heads. The results look to be well worth it though. They look great!------------------ Neal Member #723 [email protected] AIM: MrWesson22 69 Gulfstream Aqua Grande 351C/Toploader 4sp
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Clevo377 Gearhead Posts: 312 From: Blackburn, Victoria, Australia Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 10-21-2001 07:53 PM
Thanks a lot guys, it has been a lot of work but I've enjoyed doing it. I'm just glad I ended up with resonable flow results.With the cylinders, I've only gone 030 over, should I notch them, and if so, how much?? Paul
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bluestreek Gearhead Posts: 1228 From: Athens,GA Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 10-21-2001 11:36 PM
The valve notch radius should be exagerated approx. .080 larger than the the original factory notch.. Try to keep a smooth transition between the comb. chamber notch and cylinder.. Judging from your good head work, you know what your doing, so I won't go into details.. Looks like your next job will be matching the inake manifold ports to those new head ports..Have fun!! Dan
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Clevo377 Gearhead Posts: 312 From: Blackburn, Victoria, Australia Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 10-21-2001 11:58 PM
Thanks Dan, My block currently has no notching at all (A 1982 Aussie block). I understand what you're getting at though.Paul
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mach72 Gearhead Posts: 122 From: Bixby, Ok. USA Registered: Jun 99
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posted 10-22-2001 12:35 AM
Those heads look great. As for the cylinder notching, I increase the size of the stock notches without making them any deeper. I just basically lay them back a little bit. Good luck, Tom
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