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Topic: what to do... 289, 302, or 351
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66 Racer
Journeyman Posts: 58
From: West Covina, California
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 09-02-2001 09:18 PM
   
Hey guys,Im going to need an engine rebuild, but began considering putting a new engine in my 66 coupe instead. From what i read in previos message boards i would really like to do a 351W conversion, but what are the pros and cons, my car is my daily driver, and only car at that (18y/0). Well, my question is would you guys rebuild the 289 that i have, and just load it up with performance parts, get a 302 crate engine, or a 351W crate engine like those seen in Mustang+. I want a FAST AS HELL car that will be no match for most chevys, I havent ran laps yet but would eventually like to be one of the fastest guys around. My car hasnt had much work done yet, getting things done as i get the $$$, its basically stock. LEt me know what you guys would do and why. Thanks ------------------
Under Construction 66 Coupe 289 V8 - 600cfm Holley - Tri-Y Headers - Flowmaster 2.5 dual exaust - Centerforce Dual Friction
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chips67
Gearhead Posts: 651
From: louisville, ky, usa
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 09-02-2001 09:30 PM
am i the only poor guy in here??! i mean doesnt anybody care about budget? its like what should i do, rebuild this one or get a blown 460 crate motor? not trying to flame you, just want to know what are your monetary limitations? the choice is easy, all three are great motors capable of toasting a lot of musclecars. build the biggest cubic inch motor your budget will allow. the noticable difference between the 351 and the 289/302 is gonna be torque. if you want a street car thats fun, go with the torque motor, 351w. since you run a stick car, you can get by with a more radical profile 289/302 than if you had an automatic. out of the 3, my personal favorite is the 302. ------------------
67 coupe, 650dp and rpm intake on 5.0 with afr 165 heads, 4 speed, 4.11's.....best so far is [email protected] in 1/8 mile with 1.78 60ft. time.
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66 Racer
Journeyman Posts: 58
From: West Covina, California
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 09-02-2001 10:46 PM
LOL... Actually Im probably the poorest guy here, im just gonna SAVE, SAVE, SAVE which is hard to do, lol, being 18 and all. I have like 4 months before i start school again and im going to bust my a$$ working a full time job and a 2nd job, all for my car of course.
My current job SUCKS!!!!!!!!! I work at a kaybee toystore and i dont get much hours, ready for a good laugh... my average is 14hours a week at minimum wage!!! At least its something till i find something better. The only good thing about that job is that i get 1st dibs (spell?) on all the hotwheels and Johnny Lightning cars. Your probably asking how am i going to afford a 351? Well a friend of the family is a manager at In&Out, a burger joint if your not in cali, well hopefully he will be able to hook me up with a job, by the way, starting they make $8.25 an hour, working full time that should get me my engine in a few months.
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Under Construction 66 Coupe 289 V8 - 600cfm Holley - Tri-Y Headers - Flowmaster 2.5 dual exaust - Centerforce Dual Friction
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66 Racer
Journeyman Posts: 58
From: West Covina, California
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 09-02-2001 11:02 PM
Back to cars... I was VERY interested in a 302 because i would be able to keep my current headers which are only like 2 months old. I have a feeling though that im going to regret not getting the 351 when its only like a couple hundred more, so i think im going to go for the 351. In a 66 coupe, what have been the quickest 1/4mile lap times with a 351and what have they been with a 302?How hard is it to drop an engine in though? This is something i would like to do but have never done, and dont want to pay to get it done, you guys know there is nothing like doing something yourself and seeing the finished product. I dont imagine it being too hard if you have the right tools. The only thing i would need would be an engine stand for my 289 and I believe its called a "cherri picker?" to get the engine out. To get an engine out i basically disconnect all the wires, fuel lines, and take off the engine mounts, which i all know how to do, but what im not sure of is the tranny. What do i need to do about that? Just disconnect it from the bell housing? Im not too familiar with this part of the car. thanks again guys ------------------
Under Construction 66 Coupe 289 V8 - 600cfm Holley - Tri-Y Headers - Flowmaster 2.5 dual exaust - Centerforce Dual Friction [This message has been edited by 66 Racer (edited 09-02-2001).]
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chips67
Gearhead Posts: 651
From: louisville, ky, usa
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 09-02-2001 11:47 PM
ok, id say go with the 289/302. you could get a used 5.0 motor and bolt all your stuff to it (get a decent one). thats what i did, wasnt dissappointed. best all around intake is the rpm. your carb i fine. you will learn over many magazine articles how to tune your motor (get a subscription to car craft) and buy this months issue on tunning carbs. if your current motor aint smoking blue or knocking, do replace it. if you must pull the motor, you have to disconnect the trans. first with a manual transmission. if you've never done this, buy a book and get experienced help. given all this, if the car runs now, i want to discourage you from swapping motors. usually what happens in a case where theres little time/money/experience...the car is dissasembled and forgotten. its usually all downhill from there for the car. you got time. take smaller steps, get experience with other smaller things, until you are better set up.------------------
67 coupe, 650dp and rpm intake on 5.0 with afr 165 heads, 4 speed, 4.11's.....best so far is [email protected] in 1/8 mile with 1.78 60ft. time.
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 6352
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 09-02-2001 11:55 PM
All good advice Chip!  SteveW
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66 Racer
Journeyman Posts: 58
From: West Covina, California
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 09-03-2001 12:46 AM
chip--- yeah my car isnt really smoking, well bad at least. it was worse but i messed with the carb a bit and i cant even see smoke anymore. my pipes are black though, and they were new 2 months ago. Its my daily driver so there is no way i will forget about it, i know this one guy for like 4 years who is ford certified, and i know he will help me, but i dont know if he'll come out to my place or i have to go to his, i used to live near him, but am now 30 miles away. Im plannign on contacting him when i get at least $2-3,000 ------------------
Under Construction 66 Coupe 289 V8 - 600cfm Holley - Tri-Y Headers - Flowmaster 2.5 dual exaust - Centerforce Dual Friction
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66351stang
Gearhead Posts: 677
From: sayville,newyork
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 09-03-2001 01:28 AM
been there done that with 289,302, i put a 351w bored 30 over= 357 best move i made, and is excellent as a daily driver,go with the 351w, and a worked c-4, you wouldn't regret it........------------------
ponycar66,have you flown in a ford latley???????
66-COUPE W/351SVO
glad i had a v-8 !!!!!!
84.5 gt350-61 falcon 302
have a great day!!!!!!!!
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 11012
From: Reno Nv USA MEM#1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 09-03-2001 12:49 PM
Chips67 nailed it.Start with smaller projects and work up.I've had and still have way to many friends that have half done projects.Because they bit off more them they could handle.Why not start with a good tune up.And get some gears they can help you out alot.Being the fastest in town is always sort lived.Unless you plan on getting more power parts every time some one beats you.Aim high and set realalistic goals.Write out all your goals and start with the easy ones first.Most of all have fun enjoy the projects and the car.I would 1st go with the 351w,put you'll have more work them just putting it in.And more money for the little things.The 302 you could put right and use most of your prefomance parts and enjoying it right away.Hey 351w,302,289,any of these can be made to run fast as hell.Put it's a package deal not just about the motor.You have to have good brakes and suspension,gears and TRACTION.------------------
65 coupe with a stock 1969 351w,RPM intake,carter625cfm,shorty hedmen hedders,black magic electric fan,stock C4,peg leg 8" 2:80,Boss 429 hood scoop,cragers,primer black.
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n2oMike
Gearhead Posts: 1511
From: Spencer, WV
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 09-03-2001 04:25 PM
If you go with the 351W, be sure to go with a decent set of aftermarket heads. If you don't go with aftermarket heads for the 351W, you might as well stick with the 302. The factory heads are just too small to allow a 351ci engine make much power. Truth is, you aren't going to outrun too many other cars with any small block ford until you get some heads on it.... But a 351W with a good set of heads will make some serious power! BUT, you'll have to get a GOOD set of swap headers to make it really work. Hooker #6208 is your only real choice. These are 1 3/4" great quality headers that will support a lot of power. Just don't expect them to be all that easy to install in a 66. They aren't cheap, either. You'll also have to get a 351W intake. They don't interchange with 289-302's.With your budget, I'd probably keep using the current engine while saving your pennies... then see exactly how much you actually have at the end of summer, and make plans from there. Things are ALWAYS more expensive than what you think they will be... and savings usually fall short of what you think. A decent set of heads on your current engine, along with a good carb, intake, cam, and exhaust is probably your most efficient route to good power. Good Luck! ------------------
Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/motorcitymustang/cmml/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367
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JAAZZY
Gearhead Posts: 745
From: Bay Area, CA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 09-03-2001 09:52 PM
I spent most of my younger years driving around a lightly modded 289 and it was a lot of fun. I don't regret it a bit. I lost few stoplight races because the parts were well matched and the car wound up really fast. To top it off the car was mostly trouble free while the other guys were in the garage trying to figure out what broke. I didn't race half the guys takin' smack because they could never keep their cars running!  I think you could probably get what you want with a 302 but overall I think a 351W would be a good choice. I would though say stick to a modded 302 and by the time you are ready to go overboard you'll have the money for a tricked out 351W. You can always sell your old parts and recoup some of your investment. I think Chip hit it right on the head about projects never being completed.
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66 Racer
Journeyman Posts: 58
From: West Covina, California
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 09-03-2001 10:30 PM
Thanks for the good advice guys. Sticking with the 289 and working on that one sounds smart. I'll do a lot of learning on it w/o woring about screwing up a brand new engine. Especially if i spend $4G on a crate 302 and still wont have much aftermarket parts on it.
By the time im done putting vital parts in my car like tranny and rear end I'll be getting out of college and my car will be ready to handle power of a 351, money will be a lot easier to come by then.Thanks guys ------------------
Under Construction 66 Coupe 289 V8 - 600cfm Holley - Tri-Y Headers - Flowmaster 2.5 dual exaust - Centerforce Dual Friction
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65hoss
Gearhead Posts: 283
From: Memphis, TN
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 09-04-2001 12:03 AM
Make it easy on yourself and the ability to use some current parts. Stroke it. Stroke a 302 to 347.
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 6352
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 09-04-2001 12:10 AM
66 Racer,Good plan dude! See my posts about my daughter's 351w equiped '66. There's a lot more to going fast/quick than h.p..  SteveW
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66 Racer
Journeyman Posts: 58
From: West Covina, California
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 09-04-2001 06:33 PM
steve'66---I looked in the search but didnt see a topic like it. I saw yours about hooking the 66 351 but not about installing it. Thanks Oh, by the way, I assume the "Good plan dude!" was for sticking with the 289?
I guess my 1st step should be a good tuneup like someone stated which i know it needs, and an electronic ignition setup, probably MSD. Im also going to have to get a few more things so that I'll pass tech at the track.
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Under Construction 66 Coupe 289 V8 - 600cfm Holley - Tri-Y Headers - Flowmaster 2.5 dual exaust - Centerforce Dual Friction
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 6352
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 09-04-2001 07:41 PM
The posts about the engine we're over a year ago, since then they've been about lowering the et with the same h.p.. It's a good plane to work with the 289 and gain experience. My son has several uncompleted projects because he bit off more than he could focus on. Then he'd loose interest and start another major project. SteveW
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66 Racer
Journeyman Posts: 58
From: West Covina, California
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 09-04-2001 08:00 PM
Yeah, Im gonna listen to you guys that know what your talking about. Your the ones with the experience.------------------
Under Construction 66 Coupe 289 V8 - 600cfm Holley - Tri-Y Headers - Flowmaster 2.5 dual exaust - Centerforce Dual Friction
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