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kid vishus
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posted 07-25-2001 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I ordered 2 new cams for my 351C race motor.
Which one does everyone think would work best. The motor is an 11.5-1 compression,ported 4v heads, Strip Dominator intake, 926cfm alcohol carb, 1 7/8" super comp headers, 6000 rpm convertor. The roller I wiped out 3 weeks ago was 264 int, 272 exh @ .050, .650 lift on both, with a 108 centerline.
The two flat tappet cams I just ordered are:
#1: 270 int, 282 exh @ .050, .644 int, .654 exh lift 108 centerline
#2: 266 int, 277 exh @ .050, .628 int, .625 exh lift 107 centerline

Seeings how the only thing that I still do well with the car is drive it, I figure I would let someone else decide which cam would be best.

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kid vishus
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posted 07-25-2001 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I left some info out. I run a 4:86 gear, a 32" tall tire and shifted my roller out of low at 75-7600, and out of 2nd at 7200, going thru the lights qrtr mile racing around 7500. The car now weighs just over 2900 lbs with me in and 150lbs of lead.
I had to run 1.6 ratio rockers on the intakes for valve to piston clearance.
I am leaning towards one of them right now, but figure I would wait and see what everyone else thinks first.

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70coupe
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posted 07-25-2001 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70coupe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was talking to a Ford racing tech recently and his cam suggestion was one with around .650/.660 lift with 252/262 duration and a 109 or 110 centreline. He also recommended a company called lazer cams (I've never heard of them). My .02 cents.

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bluestreek
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posted 07-25-2001 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would bet that the first one is the fastest but the second one will be .1 -.3 sec slower but more consistent.. Depends on what your looking for..

One more note.. #1 is approaching Nascar specs.. Are you sure you're ready for those rpms???

[This message has been edited by bluestreek (edited 07-26-2001).]

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Butch Jennings
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posted 07-26-2001 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Butch Jennings   Click Here to Email Butch Jennings     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I'd run #2 Kid....282 @ .050 is gonna kill off what little torque that 4v headed motor's gonna make. I'd like to see a little more lift, but #2 would be my choice of the two you've got listed.

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Greenstang
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posted 07-26-2001 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greenstang   Click Here to Email Greenstang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 70coupe:
I was talking to a Ford racing tech recently and his cam suggestion was one with around .650/.660 lift with 252/262 duration and a 109 or 110 centreline. He also recommended a company called lazer cams (I've never heard of them). My .02 cents.

They are at http://www.lazercams.com (I think) There *is* a link off my webpage (click my name in the .sig).

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Doc
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posted 07-26-2001 04:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doc   Click Here to Email Doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ultradyne has a couple of shorter duration higher lift sticks listed with a little tighter center. I think the alochol would like 268/275 682/680 on a 106 but their 260/267 657/661 on a 106 might be a bit easier on parts.

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kid vishus
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posted 07-26-2001 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am going to run the second cam. I would like it to have more lift too, but I am sure I wont have clearance for it. These were cheap, $60 each, so I couldnt beat the price. They are from the Crower garage sale.
The first cam I am going to save for a long rod motor I am planning. 6.2" billet rods with lite weight flattops. Something I can turn 8500 and have faith it will stay together.

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bluestreek
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posted 07-27-2001 03:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's what you need for that cam..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=593528089

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jkilroy
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posted 07-27-2001 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy   Click Here to Email jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am no world class expert but I think you are going to need more compression with that much duration.

I mean, lets face it, you aren't exactly going to the grocery store in that baby, running alcohol also, why not bump the compression up into the 12.5 to 13.5 range?

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kid vishus
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posted 07-28-2001 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It should work ok with the compression I have. I would raise it, but the domed pistons I had for the open chamber heads "got blowed up" and I cant afford to buy new ones. Plus if I did, the heads have been milled so much, that the domes have to be hand fitted to the chamber for clearance if the block gets decked for more compression. The motor I ran last year was that way (till it broke,lack of clearance) and it was 13.85-1 compression.

This cam will have to work better than the one I just took out.

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kid vishus
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posted 07-29-2001 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I put cam #2 in. It sounds alot better than the old one did. Will find out next week how it runs.

I was off just a touch on the cam specs,I had the duration and lift right, but the lobe seperation is 107, and the intake centerline is 103.

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