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bluestreek
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posted 07-12-2001 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking about taking the 9" open differential out of my spare '73 and throwing in a mini-spool and 4.56 gear for my '66 Stang.. This would allow me to keep my 3.50 geared trac-lock intact... Is this a good idea ?? Any pointers?? Can it be driven 10 miles to the track??

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Rustang1
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posted 07-12-2001 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rustang1   Click Here to Email Rustang1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what I recall when I went thru this, Strange said that their all out race axles could not be used with a full spool on the street, but their SS Street axles could because they are not as brittle as the race units. I think Moser says they're axles can be run on the street w/full spool. (these were all 31 spline units) I would think if you are running stock axles that they would have enough elasticity that they would be okay. Also, a comment on the mini spool. I think they are mostly for circle track applications and aren't real strong for drag racing use.

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Mike_R
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posted 07-12-2001 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_R   Click Here to Email Mike_R     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A full spool is lighter and only about $100 more than a mini spool. If you do go with a mini spool make sure you buy an aftermarket cross pin. The stock ones tend to break easily.

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bluestreek
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posted 07-12-2001 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll be using the set-up with stock 28 spline axles and trying to hook-up ET Streets and 4-speed with about a 310 HP 289 in front of it... Has anyone here used a similar mini-spool set-up on the strip with any dependability?.. I've got a brother in law that just upgraded his SB chevy with a $250 9" stall converter that's kicking my *** off the line and I think I can take him pretty easily with this set-up.. We're both running the same MPH in the quarter but he's getting me by 2 tenths in 60'.. I figure if I spend too much money he'll start acting like a cry-baby and won't admit to defeat..You know how those chevy drivers are.. The mini-spool and gear would cost under $200..

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69maverick
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posted 07-12-2001 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69maverick   Click Here to Email 69maverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
B-S My son runs a welded carrier ! same as a spool that I can tell. With 28 spline Axles
in a 68 coupe with a c-4 And he has been pounding it for about 8 months now on the street and it still works fine!

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JAAZZY
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posted 07-12-2001 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I ran a mini spool on the street for awhile in my 66. I had no problems with durability but hated it in a vehicle I drove on the street all the time. It skipped around turns and at speed it is a little unsettling. I swapped it with a traction lock unit.

Anyway if your street driving is limited or just 10 miles to the track you should have no problem.

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bluestreek
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posted 07-12-2001 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, It's cheap so I'll give it a try till something else comes along... Anything to keep from bowing down to sb chevy.. Now all I need is a set of 4.30 or 4.56 gears and I'll get him next round..

Jaazy, Did the spool help you nail the back tires down any better than your current trac-lock???

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JAAZZY
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posted 07-12-2001 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With my combo it wasn't really an issue since my power band starts at around 3000rpm and with only 3.0 gears I didn't launch all that hard. At the time I had a c4 so even the 1-2 shift wasn't bad.

My suspicion though is that it would launch better and straighter.

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Ok, It's cheap so I'll give it a try till something else comes along... Anything to keep from bowing down to sb chevy.. Now all I need is a set of 4.30 or 4.56 gears and I'll get him next round..

Jaazy, Did the spool help you nail the back tires down any better than your current trac-lock???

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bluestreek
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posted 07-12-2001 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My cam is a 230/230 duration, 512/512 lift, 109 center.. It starts to smooth out at 2200 rpms and starts pulling good at about 3000.. I would love to be able to launch at anything above 2000, but the 3.50 gears and close ratio 4 speed won't allow it.. I'm really looking forward to trying a spool and some good gears to get this little 'Stang motorvated.. I've been following the recent posts on traction, and I'm gonna be shooting for 1.8 sec. 60's on street tires... any better will be icing on the cake..

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perk
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posted 07-13-2001 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for perk   Click Here to Email perk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you mean street slicks or (and I quote),street tires and looking for 1.8s in the 60ft.???
Any way,as far as a mini spool goes,I have
one and I drive it up to 2 hours to one of the tracks we run at.No problems so far.
We have gotten 1.8s with this setup running street slicks.I believe we will get even better times after we tie the frame rails together.

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bluestreek
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posted 07-13-2001 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I say street tires, I mean street tires.. 235/60 14 Eagle ST (8in tread).. I already managed 2.0 60' with the 3.50 gear and loose trac-lok.. Surely I can get 1.8s out of 4.30 gear and spool.. The added acceleration alone should improve me that much..After a few runs on the street tires, then I'll see what I can gain out of "cheater slicks".. This cam setup with my modified and port-matched 289 heads wants to take off after 2200 rpm.. I guess the trick is to make it launch hard enough to reach 2200 rpm out of the hole..The way I see it, I have to figure a way use the stored up torque from the engine at launch to reach the magical rpm where the engine will be in a "hard pull", once it recovers from the launch.. If I can keep it from stumbling off the line, and not smoke the tires, and don't break anything, then the battle is won..

Sorry, long winded.... just thinking out-loud again... How about a little info on this frame rail issue..I'm an engine man and this chassis stuff is all new to me!!

thanks

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TomP
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posted 07-13-2001 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Frame Rail issue?

Bah... ya don't need to add more weight..it ain't gonna be twisting on you till you have over 400hp.If it's a convertible thats a different story. It won't improve times, more likely hurt them as adding weight below and ahead of the center of gravity is apt to do.

When it gets to needing a roll bar, that will add the stiffness that may be useful by then.

My Fairlane has nothing that helps rigidity, the roll bar only has one side bar and one curved back brace and so far runs 10.0's @ 133. Its the launch that twists it tho..and 1.36 does tweak it a bit... when the car runs a 9 the cage will add stiffness.

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bluestreek
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posted 07-14-2001 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Tom,
I kinda figured as much.. I'm just gathering as much info as I can, just in case, one day, I might need to know.. I figure if the hood flies open and the back glass pops out, then I might think about stiffening her up a little bit... ha! HA!
Hey, great numbers with the Fairlane.. I have a little '68 1/2 Falcon Sport/Coupe with a twisted top on it.. Got caught in a tornado, though.. Been meaning to fix her back up one day.. Tornados don't play!!!

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posted 07-14-2001 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since you are running pure street tires, I'd invest in a set of narrow slicks or a pair of the DOT legal drag radials.
I think that would make a huge difference.

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bluestreek
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posted 07-14-2001 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm gonna be going to Atlanta Dragway today to help my Bro-in-law tune his SB Chevy with a full new set of M/T Sportsman PRO tires and Draglite wheels(9" rear,4.5" front).. He was doing 2.08 60' on regular street Radials and steel wheels before.. I'll find out what $900 worth of wheels and tires are worth on a mild '75 street NOVA ... This should be fun and educational..

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posted 07-14-2001 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, we tried out the new wheels and tires and they really spun bad the first time off the starting line.. Before the next run, we dropped the pressure to 20 PSI and unloaded the traction bars 1/2 in. on both sides and she finally stuck really hard.. He netted a 2.03 60' and crossed the traps at 14.10 @ 93MPH.. We only got 2 time trials before eliminations and never really had time to get a good dial in.. I noticed that he was popping a little bit at the very top of his gear changes so I made him back his timing down 2 degrees to take are of the popping and we decided to dial-in a 14.00 because of the ingnition change..
As luck would have it, we would be sitting beside one of the points leaders at the track for the first round of eliminations.. Mike hasn't bracket raced in 2 yrs, but still knows how to race... He got a good burn-out and pulled to the line against a full size Chevy crew cab, dialed in at 18.07.. Mike had a sick look on his face before going into the burnout box, so I consoled him and told him to do his best and just try to get his nose out in front at the finish and pray for some luck.. I stood and watched until they both crossed the line at the same time, but, his opponents win light came up.. Mike ended up the loser but he made it really close considering the circumstances.. His opponent ran a perfect dead-on with a .578 light and Mike broke out with his first ever 13.97 with a .601 light. His 60' times had dropped to 1.93.. The tires seem to be getting better with every run, but we got eliminated and was not able to make anymore improvements.. Oh well, we'll get em next time..

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bluestreek
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posted 07-15-2001 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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bluestreek
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posted 07-16-2001 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestreek   Click Here to Email bluestreek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
test

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'66 Stang with traction problem!!
289 320hp 4 spd 3.50 trac-loc
http://www.picturelist.net/Images/dbhard/1966.jpg

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