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Clevo377
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From: Blackburn, Victoria, Australia
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posted 07-01-2001 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clevo377   Click Here to Email Clevo377     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where did they split? was the split verticle or horizontal? Was the block filled at all? Did you have any sharp edges at the bottom of the cylinder radiused?(assuming a split started there). What RPM were you going to?Do you know why it happened??

Just curious,
Paul

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Rory McNeil
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posted 07-01-2001 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Several years ago, I had one cylinder wall(#6 or7, I don`t recall)split in my 428 drag car. It was a horozontal split about 2" long
about 3-3 1/2" down from the deck. The block WAS filled, & had been sonic checked prior to boring (at standard bore was .165 at the thinnest spot,making for .150 after .030 overbore.) I can`t recall, but I don`t thick the area where it cracked was the thin spot.
Since it split in the filled portion of the cylinder, there was no water getting inside, the only symptom was it starting to smoke blue, due to the crack pushing inward a bit & gouging the side of the piston & chewing up the rings. It didn`t slow the cars ET`s noticably, though. I never sleeved the block, rather I tossed it & just built another short block. This block was standard bore, & since I was chasing points at the track, never had time to sonic check or fill that block. I just had it bored, did the usual FE oil passage mods, & put it together.
That was in 94, & other than 2 "freshen ups" its still running fine. (10.2 @ almost 131 mph.)By the way, this split cylinder happened with a self imposed 6500 rpm redline, & I don`t know what caused it to occur, I had been running that engine for 2 or 3 seasons before it happened.

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Clevo377
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posted 07-02-2001 05:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clevo377   Click Here to Email Clevo377     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the reply Rory, were you really scratching your head as to why it happened?? I am, especially after 2 seasons. It seems from what I've heard they always split horizontally as well. Interesting...
Paul

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kid vishus
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posted 07-02-2001 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess with my track record I am required to post on this one

Every time I have cracked a cylinder it has been a verticle crack. Most of them have been on the thrust side of the cylinder, about haflway up (the same place you get the shiny spot from the side load of the piston).Although the first one I split this year was on the opposite side.
(Edit is for this)
That motor was 13.85 to 1 compression. And I was turning it 7800 rpm.
The only time I cracked one with a filed block was when my math for the piston to cylinder head clearnces was off. I had 3 pistons hit the heads hard, and those three cylinders cracked. I believe that when the piston hit the head it tried to cock the piston in the bore resulting in the wall splitting.

[This message has been edited by kid vishus (edited 07-02-2001).]

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SG236
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posted 07-02-2001 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SG236   Click Here to Email SG236     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well mine split because the crank broke in the front bending the eagle rods on both sides. Cracks were verticle. I have thought a lot why the crank broke because ALL precautions were taken. All of my bottom end work was done by a professional race engine builder.

Something wasn't right but I guess the possibilities are endless.

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Moneymaker
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posted 07-02-2001 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have never seen a "horizontal" split in a FoMoCo cylinder wall that was not caused by mechanical failure. Spun bearing, rod breakage, etc.

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Rory McNeil
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posted 07-03-2001 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope, it was still running fine, & when I took it apart, everything else looked fine. I don`t have any idea what caused it.

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Clevo377
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posted 07-06-2001 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clevo377   Click Here to Email Clevo377     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry when I said most splits seem to be horizontal, I meant vertical. (remembering Kid's folly). my mistake.

Paul

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